10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 16.01.2008 15:33:55 von 1001 Webs

1. PHP.NET the greatest API resource known to MAN
2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
solution in PHP for you
3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
anything goes.
4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!
5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
also MySQL (also FREE).
6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
modules installed.
7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
architecture, this is an overhead for the server.
8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.
9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.
10. Greater control over error handling, and more detailed error
messages.

http://www.hwhappy.co.uk/2006/11/30/why-php-is-better-than-a sp/

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 16.01.2008 18:44:51 von Toby A Inkster

Ali Bobo wrote:

> 2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
> solution in PHP for you

Although PHP is one of my favourite programming languages, I do think that
some of these reasons are not so good, so feel I should "correct" some of
them, or at least further elaborate.

Regarding point #2, yes, that's often the case, but half the time their
solution is junk and needs extensive rewrites to remove obvious security
flaws. The reason there's so many free PHP scripts out there is because
there's millions of PHP scripters out there. It may come as a shock to
some of you, but not all of them are geniuses.

> 3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
> anything goes.

PHP's syntax is better because it's closer to C? If anything, similarity
to C's syntax should be classed as a disadvantage. C is a step up above
assembly, but that's all that can be said in its favour.

Of the C-like languages, C#, Java and Javascript are far more elegant in
syntax than PHP. But if you want to see a language with a truly nice
syntax, check out AppleScript.

Besides which, ASP.NET (the latest incarnation of ASP) is a container
format which supports the use of various different languages within it.
Sure, VB is common, but so is Javascript. Perl within ASP is not unheard
of. It's even possible to script PHP within ASP.

> 4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
> however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!

You do not need either Linux or Apache for PHP. There are various other
operating systems and web servers that will run it. I happen to do a lot
of my testing on Apache for Max OS X. PHP will even run on IIS on Windows.

Whatsmore, there are various alternative implementations of ASP, some of
which are free. However, much like with C#, a lot of people rely on
specific quirks and extensions of Microsoft's implementation, so the
result will not run on the alternative implementations.

> 5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
> also MySQL (also FREE).

MySQL is a pretty crummy database though.

> 6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
> only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
> modules installed.

Contradicting point #4 yourself now.

> 7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
> architecture, this is an overhead for the server.

COM-based ASP is pretty old. ASP.NET pages can be pre-compiled, allowing
very fast execution.

PHP scripts can be cached in a compiled form if you use eAccelerator or
similar, but this functionality will not be included in PHP by default
until 6.0 is released.

> 8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.

mod_rewrite is written in C, not PHP.

> 9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
> of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.

VBScript as of version 5 (which is quite old now) supports regular
expressions, but they're pretty limited compared to Perl's regexs.
However, as I said earlier, ASP is not just limited to VBScript. Perl will
happily run within ASP, and Perl's regexs are certainly Perl-compatible!

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[Geek of HTML/SQL/Perl/PHP/Python/Apache/Linux]
[OS: Linux 2.6.17.14-mm-desktop-9mdvsmp, up 17 days, 4:39.]

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Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 16.01.2008 19:31:26 von Steve

"Ali Bobo" <1001webs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3b0a3c54-0c8a-4465-9e33-566f84ecd966@v4g2000hsf.googleg roups.com...
> 1. PHP.NET the greatest API resource known to MAN

completely relative statement. i can safely assume you've not experienced
*all* api's known to man!

> 2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
> solution in PHP for you

and this is in contrast to the support and examples/solutions afforded asp?
think again.

> 3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
> anything goes.

uhhhh, php is just as loose as asp - which is *vb script* NOT VB. asp.net,
however, is more OOP capable than php AND forces strong data-typing. troll.

as for which stylistic preference you have in writing code, who gives a
fuck?!!!

> 4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
> however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!

sorry, wrong again! i can run asp on linux boxes running apache. that
technology is at least 8 years old, idiot.

> 5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
> also MySQL (also FREE).

and, asp has *greater* built in support for these and more. last time i
checked, ms was giving asp.net AND a world-class IDE for it's development
away...i.e. FREE.

next dumbass remark?

> 6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
> only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
> modules installed.

which completely bastardizes your statement number 4...along with mooting
itself in the process. are you that brain-dead?

> 7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
> architecture, this is an overhead for the server.

and what version of asp are you talking about? the one from 8 years ago? asp
as of right now can backwardly support com. it's architecture is completely
OOP based and everything runs from a NON-COM based framework. asp performs
equally in speed to php and in a lot of cases, outperforms it. one of the
benefits of a company that creates a web language and also providing the os
on which it will run, the functionality is built into the kernel itself.

> 8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.

the answer is, you need to say something that applies. mod_rewrite is
apache, not php. as i can run asp via apache, your point is moot...again!

> 9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
> of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.

funny how think, or imply, that asp and regex are strangers to eachother.
specifically, if i develop a vb < .net application, i have to reference the
*scripting* library (you know, the web version of vb) in order to use regex.
asp has *always* supported regex...vb.net is the first time regex was
directly supported, without COM, in vb. geee, why would that be? because NO
NEW LANGUAGES BY MS HAVE A COM ARCHITECTURES.

> 10. Greater control over error handling, and more detailed error
> messages.

last i checked, try/catch/finally was introduced to asp around the same time
it was supported in php. and, since it's the same construct, how do you
suppose php has greater control. further, both php and asp allow you to
generate customer error messages. as for the defined errors, i can only
laugh. leave out a semi-colon in php, run the page in the browser and tell
me exactly what the error means...not to mention WHERE the *actual* error
is. ROFLMFAO !!!

and, btw, when could you ever seemlessly integrate external resources (not
just modules) into php. oh shit! you mean you had to use COM(). lol. in asp,
if an api exists, i can consume it.

how easy is it to set up php for debugging?

can you use vb, c#, c, c++, or any one of 23 others to develop a php
solution?

can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?

if you have no clue as to the technology against which you are making
comparisons, how the fuck can you expect to be taken seriously?!!! further,
how can you ever expect to pick the right tool for the job...which is
COMPLETELY what makes one better than the other! it's all relative to
changing factors that you don't even consider, troll.

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 17.01.2008 11:50:28 von 1001 Webs

On Jan 16, 6:44 pm, Toby A Inkster
wrote:
> Ali Bobo wrote:
> > 2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
> > solution in PHP for you
>
> Although PHP is one of my favourite programming languages, I do think that
> some of these reasons are not so good, so feel I should "correct" some of
> them, or at least further elaborate.
>
> Regarding point #2, yes, that's often the case, but half the time their
> solution is junk and needs extensive rewrites to remove obvious security
> flaws. The reason there's so many free PHP scripts out there is because
> there's millions of PHP scripters out there. It may come as a shock to
> some of you, but not all of them are geniuses.
>
> > 3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
> > anything goes.
>
> PHP's syntax is better because it's closer to C? If anything, similarity
> to C's syntax should be classed as a disadvantage. C is a step up above
> assembly, but that's all that can be said in its favour.
>
> Of the C-like languages, C#, Java and Javascript are far more elegant in
> syntax than PHP. But if you want to see a language with a truly nice
> syntax, check out AppleScript.
>
> Besides which, ASP.NET (the latest incarnation of ASP) is a container
> format which supports the use of various different languages within it.
> Sure, VB is common, but so is Javascript. Perl within ASP is not unheard
> of. It's even possible to script PHP within ASP.
>
> > 4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
> > however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!
>
> You do not need either Linux or Apache for PHP. There are various other
> operating systems and web servers that will run it. I happen to do a lot
> of my testing on Apache for Max OS X. PHP will even run on IIS on Windows.
>
> Whatsmore, there are various alternative implementations of ASP, some of
> which are free. However, much like with C#, a lot of people rely on
> specific quirks and extensions of Microsoft's implementation, so the
> result will not run on the alternative implementations.
>
> > 5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
> > also MySQL (also FREE).
>
> MySQL is a pretty crummy database though.
>
> > 6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
> > only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
> > modules installed.
>
> Contradicting point #4 yourself now.
>
> > 7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
> > architecture, this is an overhead for the server.
>
> COM-based ASP is pretty old. ASP.NET pages can be pre-compiled, allowing
> very fast execution.
>
> PHP scripts can be cached in a compiled form if you use eAccelerator or
> similar, but this functionality will not be included in PHP by default
> until 6.0 is released.
>
> > 8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.
>
> mod_rewrite is written in C, not PHP.
>
> > 9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
> > of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.
>
> VBScript as of version 5 (which is quite old now) supports regular
> expressions, but they're pretty limited compared to Perl's regexs.
> However, as I said earlier, ASP is not just limited to VBScript. Perl will
> happily run within ASP, and Perl's regexs are certainly Perl-compatible!

Interesting points you've made.
Thank you

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 17.01.2008 11:56:56 von 1001 Webs

On Jan 16, 7:31 pm, "Steve" wrote:
> "Ali Bobo" <1001w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3b0a3c54-0c8a-4465-9e33-566f84ecd966@v4g2000hsf.googleg roups.com...
>
> > 1. PHP.NET the greatest API resource known to MAN
>
> completely relative statement. i can safely assume you've not experienced
> *all* api's known to man!
>
> > 2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
> > solution in PHP for you
>
> and this is in contrast to the support and examples/solutions afforded asp?
> think again.
>
> > 3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
> > anything goes.
>
> uhhhh, php is just as loose as asp - which is *vb script* NOT VB. asp.net,
> however, is more OOP capable than php AND forces strong data-typing. troll.
>
> as for which stylistic preference you have in writing code, who gives a
> fuck?!!!
>
> > 4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
> > however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!
>
> sorry, wrong again! i can run asp on linux boxes running apache. that
> technology is at least 8 years old, idiot.
>
> > 5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
> > also MySQL (also FREE).
>
> and, asp has *greater* built in support for these and more. last time i
> checked, ms was giving asp.net AND a world-class IDE for it's development
> away...i.e. FREE.
>
> next dumbass remark?
>
> > 6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
> > only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
> > modules installed.
>
> which completely bastardizes your statement number 4...along with mooting
> itself in the process. are you that brain-dead?
>
> > 7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
> > architecture, this is an overhead for the server.
>
> and what version of asp are you talking about? the one from 8 years ago? asp
> as of right now can backwardly support com. it's architecture is completely
> OOP based and everything runs from a NON-COM based framework. asp performs
> equally in speed to php and in a lot of cases, outperforms it. one of the
> benefits of a company that creates a web language and also providing the os
> on which it will run, the functionality is built into the kernel itself.
>
> > 8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.
>
> the answer is, you need to say something that applies. mod_rewrite is
> apache, not php. as i can run asp via apache, your point is moot...again!
>
> > 9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
> > of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.
>
> funny how think, or imply, that asp and regex are strangers to eachother.
> specifically, if i develop a vb < .net application, i have to reference the
> *scripting* library (you know, the web version of vb) in order to use regex.
> asp has *always* supported regex...vb.net is the first time regex was
> directly supported, without COM, in vb. geee, why would that be? because NO
> NEW LANGUAGES BY MS HAVE A COM ARCHITECTURES.
>
> > 10. Greater control over error handling, and more detailed error
> > messages.
>
> last i checked, try/catch/finally was introduced to asp around the same time
> it was supported in php. and, since it's the same construct, how do you
> suppose php has greater control. further, both php and asp allow you to
> generate customer error messages. as for the defined errors, i can only
> laugh. leave out a semi-colon in php, run the page in the browser and tell
> me exactly what the error means...not to mention WHERE the *actual* error
> is. ROFLMFAO !!!
>
> and, btw, when could you ever seemlessly integrate external resources (not
> just modules) into php. oh shit! you mean you had to use COM(). lol. in asp,
> if an api exists, i can consume it.
>
> how easy is it to set up php for debugging?
>
> can you use vb, c#, c, c++, or any one of 23 others to develop a php
> solution?
>
> can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?
>
> if you have no clue as to the technology against which you are making
> comparisons, how the fuck can you expect to be taken seriously?!!! further,
> how can you ever expect to pick the right tool for the job...which is
> COMPLETELY what makes one better than the other! it's all relative to
> changing factors that you don't even consider, troll.

I just copy&pasted it, from the link at the bottom.
You are quite right and I thank you for your valuable opinion.
I have several friends that have opted for ASP over PHP and I wanted
to understand the reasons.

Just two more questions:
1- Do you actually prefer ASP to PHP?
2- A bit off-topic but, What do you make of this statement?:
The paragraphs below describes W3Schools' vision about future
Internet Distributed Applications:
"Executables, C++ (and Java too) must die
Neither C++ nor Java can ever create standard components that can run
on all computers. There is no room for these languages in future
distributed applications. Executables are not standard. COM objects
are not standard, DLL-files are not standard. Registry settings are
not standard. INI-files are not standard. None of these components
must be allowed to destroy your dream of a standard distributed
application that will run on almost any computer in the world."
http://www.w3schools.com/ngws/ngws_standards.asp

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 17.01.2008 14:37:48 von Jerry Stuckle

Ali Bobo wrote:
> On Jan 16, 7:31 pm, "Steve" wrote:
>> "Ali Bobo" <1001w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:3b0a3c54-0c8a-4465-9e33-566f84ecd966@v4g2000hsf.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>> 1. PHP.NET the greatest API resource known to MAN
>> completely relative statement. i can safely assume you've not experienced
>> *all* api's known to man!
>>
>>> 2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
>>> solution in PHP for you
>> and this is in contrast to the support and examples/solutions afforded asp?
>> think again.
>>
>>> 3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
>>> anything goes.
>> uhhhh, php is just as loose as asp - which is *vb script* NOT VB. asp.net,
>> however, is more OOP capable than php AND forces strong data-typing. troll.
>>
>> as for which stylistic preference you have in writing code, who gives a
>> fuck?!!!
>>
>>> 4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
>>> however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!
>> sorry, wrong again! i can run asp on linux boxes running apache. that
>> technology is at least 8 years old, idiot.
>>
>>> 5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
>>> also MySQL (also FREE).
>> and, asp has *greater* built in support for these and more. last time i
>> checked, ms was giving asp.net AND a world-class IDE for it's development
>> away...i.e. FREE.
>>
>> next dumbass remark?
>>
>>> 6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
>>> only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
>>> modules installed.
>> which completely bastardizes your statement number 4...along with mooting
>> itself in the process. are you that brain-dead?
>>
>>> 7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
>>> architecture, this is an overhead for the server.
>> and what version of asp are you talking about? the one from 8 years ago? asp
>> as of right now can backwardly support com. it's architecture is completely
>> OOP based and everything runs from a NON-COM based framework. asp performs
>> equally in speed to php and in a lot of cases, outperforms it. one of the
>> benefits of a company that creates a web language and also providing the os
>> on which it will run, the functionality is built into the kernel itself.
>>
>>> 8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.
>> the answer is, you need to say something that applies. mod_rewrite is
>> apache, not php. as i can run asp via apache, your point is moot...again!
>>
>>> 9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
>>> of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.
>> funny how think, or imply, that asp and regex are strangers to eachother.
>> specifically, if i develop a vb < .net application, i have to reference the
>> *scripting* library (you know, the web version of vb) in order to use regex.
>> asp has *always* supported regex...vb.net is the first time regex was
>> directly supported, without COM, in vb. geee, why would that be? because NO
>> NEW LANGUAGES BY MS HAVE A COM ARCHITECTURES.
>>
>>> 10. Greater control over error handling, and more detailed error
>>> messages.
>> last i checked, try/catch/finally was introduced to asp around the same time
>> it was supported in php. and, since it's the same construct, how do you
>> suppose php has greater control. further, both php and asp allow you to
>> generate customer error messages. as for the defined errors, i can only
>> laugh. leave out a semi-colon in php, run the page in the browser and tell
>> me exactly what the error means...not to mention WHERE the *actual* error
>> is. ROFLMFAO !!!
>>
>> and, btw, when could you ever seemlessly integrate external resources (not
>> just modules) into php. oh shit! you mean you had to use COM(). lol. in asp,
>> if an api exists, i can consume it.
>>
>> how easy is it to set up php for debugging?
>>
>> can you use vb, c#, c, c++, or any one of 23 others to develop a php
>> solution?
>>
>> can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?
>>
>> if you have no clue as to the technology against which you are making
>> comparisons, how the fuck can you expect to be taken seriously?!!! further,
>> how can you ever expect to pick the right tool for the job...which is
>> COMPLETELY what makes one better than the other! it's all relative to
>> changing factors that you don't even consider, troll.
>
> I just copy&pasted it, from the link at the bottom.
> You are quite right and I thank you for your valuable opinion.
> I have several friends that have opted for ASP over PHP and I wanted
> to understand the reasons.
>
> Just two more questions:
> 1- Do you actually prefer ASP to PHP?
> 2- A bit off-topic but, What do you make of this statement?:
> The paragraphs below describes W3Schools' vision about future
> Internet Distributed Applications:
> "Executables, C++ (and Java too) must die
> Neither C++ nor Java can ever create standard components that can run
> on all computers. There is no room for these languages in future
> distributed applications. Executables are not standard. COM objects
> are not standard, DLL-files are not standard. Registry settings are
> not standard. INI-files are not standard. None of these components
> must be allowed to destroy your dream of a standard distributed
> application that will run on almost any computer in the world."
> http://www.w3schools.com/ngws/ngws_standards.asp
>

All of this are the opinions of one or two people who put together a web
site. Nothing more, nothing less. It is worth exactly what you paid
for it.

Of course not everything's standard. That's because different people
have different needs. And it will always remain that way.

--
==================
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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 17.01.2008 19:11:00 von Andy Dingley

On 17 Jan, 13:37, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Ali Bobo wrote:

> All of this are the opinions of one or two people who put together a web
> site. Nothing more, nothing less.

Re-posted by your trolling friend "1001Webs", who is sock-puppeting
here as Ali Bobo.

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 00:20:59 von 1001 Webs

On Jan 17, 7:11 pm, Andy Dingley wrote:
> On 17 Jan, 13:37, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> > Ali Bobo wrote:
> > All of this are the opinions of one or two people who put together a web=

> > site. Nothing more, nothing less.
>
> Re-posted by your trolling friend "1001Webs", who is sock-puppeting
> here as Ali Bobo.

Hi Andy,
nice to see you again, mate.

And now, after the introductory greetings,
anything at all to say about the topic at hand?
No?
Just what I thought ...

Freak off then, and don't waste our time ¡¡=A1

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 13:48:04 von Toby A Inkster

Steve wrote:

> can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?

In PHP? Yes, kinda, if you install the right modules. But only if by "one
language" you mean "PHP" and "another" you mean "Perl or Python".

An example of using Perl within PHP:

// Use embedded Perl
$perl = new Perl();
// Import function "md5_hex" from package "Digest::MD5"
$perl->eval('use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_hex);');
// Now we can call the function as a normal PHP object method.
echo $perl->md5_hex('Hello');
// prints "8b1a9953c4611296a827abf8c47804d7".
?>

It's slightly clunky in terms of syntax, but it's pretty cool and
occasionally useful if you want to be able to reuse a large piece of
already written Perl script in PHP. Perl functions can be made accessible
to PHP, and variables, arrays, hashes and objects passed back and forth
between the languages.

More info, downloads:
http://pecl.php.net/package/perl
http://pecl.php.net/package/python

--
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[Geek of HTML/SQL/Perl/PHP/Python/Apache/Linux]
[OS: Linux 2.6.17.14-mm-desktop-9mdvsmp, up 18 days, 23:46.]

Ham vs Bacon vs Pork
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog/2008/01/17/pork-etc/

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 13:48:04 von Toby A Inkster

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 14:16:06 von Courtney

Toby A Inkster wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>
>> can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?
>
> In PHP? Yes, kinda, if you install the right modules. But only if by "one
> language" you mean "PHP" and "another" you mean "Perl or Python".
>
> An example of using Perl within PHP:
>
> > // Use embedded Perl
> $perl = new Perl();
> // Import function "md5_hex" from package "Digest::MD5"
> $perl->eval('use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_hex);');
> // Now we can call the function as a normal PHP object method.
> echo $perl->md5_hex('Hello');
> // prints "8b1a9953c4611296a827abf8c47804d7".
> ?>
>
> It's slightly clunky in terms of syntax, but it's pretty cool and
> occasionally useful if you want to be able to reuse a large piece of
> already written Perl script in PHP. Perl functions can be made accessible
> to PHP, and variables, arrays, hashes and objects passed back and forth
> between the languages.

teh thought of having PERL anywhere on my machine

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 14:16:06 von Courtney

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Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 15:41:00 von mmodrall

"Toby A Inkster" wrote:
> > can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?
>
> In PHP? Yes, kinda, if you install the right modules. But only if by "one
> language" you mean "PHP" and "another" you mean "Perl or Python".

Actually, in ASP you can switch, in code, mid-stream to from vbscript to
jscript, etc, without the ugly hack of instantiating another language
interpreter.

You can just define script blocks and have them call each other, no problem.

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 17:03:43 von Courtney

Gary L. Burnore wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:16:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> wrote:
>
>> Toby A Inkster wrote:
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>
>>>> can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?
>>> In PHP? Yes, kinda, if you install the right modules. But only if by "one
>>> language" you mean "PHP" and "another" you mean "Perl or Python".
>>>
>>> An example of using Perl within PHP:
>>>
>>> >>> // Use embedded Perl
>>> $perl = new Perl();
>>> // Import function "md5_hex" from package "Digest::MD5"
>>> $perl->eval('use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_hex);');
>>> // Now we can call the function as a normal PHP object method.
>>> echo $perl->md5_hex('Hello');
>>> // prints "8b1a9953c4611296a827abf8c47804d7".
>>> ?>
>>>
>>> It's slightly clunky in terms of syntax, but it's pretty cool and
>>> occasionally useful if you want to be able to reuse a large piece of
>>> already written Perl script in PHP. Perl functions can be made accessible
>>> to PHP, and variables, arrays, hashes and objects passed back and forth
>>> between the languages.
>> teh thought of having PERL anywhere on my machine
>
> why?
I had an employee, who was the only one I had to actually fire..set him
a project, did it in perl, ran slower than almost anything else, and
after 6 months still didn't work. Found out he had being writing a
collaborative science fiction book online most of the time.

Another guy picked it up, had it done in bash in 10 days, at about 1/4
the length, and ten times the comprehensibility, tho still a wee bit slow.

So we looked at the worst bits and did them in C.

I suppose that it was that instance that cemented in my mind the firm
conviction that anyone who thinks PERL is great, is probably a total
wanker, and that includes the guy who wrote it. ;-)

Sadly it does exist on my system because some bloody class library
installation script was written in it.

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Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 19:56:04 von Steve

"Ali Bobo" <1001webs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a60dedb-ad22-4061-baec-72afb5419158@f10g2000hsf.google groups.com...
> On Jan 16, 7:31 pm, "Steve" wrote:
>> "Ali Bobo" <1001w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:3b0a3c54-0c8a-4465-9e33-566f84ecd966@v4g2000hsf.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> > 1. PHP.NET the greatest API resource known to MAN
>>
>> completely relative statement. i can safely assume you've not experienced
>> *all* api's known to man!
>>
>> > 2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
>> > solution in PHP for you
>>
>> and this is in contrast to the support and examples/solutions afforded
>> asp?
>> think again.
>>
>> > 3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
>> > anything goes.
>>
>> uhhhh, php is just as loose as asp - which is *vb script* NOT VB.
>> asp.net,
>> however, is more OOP capable than php AND forces strong data-typing.
>> troll.
>>
>> as for which stylistic preference you have in writing code, who gives a
>> fuck?!!!
>>
>> > 4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
>> > however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!
>>
>> sorry, wrong again! i can run asp on linux boxes running apache. that
>> technology is at least 8 years old, idiot.
>>
>> > 5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
>> > also MySQL (also FREE).
>>
>> and, asp has *greater* built in support for these and more. last time i
>> checked, ms was giving asp.net AND a world-class IDE for it's development
>> away...i.e. FREE.
>>
>> next dumbass remark?
>>
>> > 6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
>> > only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
>> > modules installed.
>>
>> which completely bastardizes your statement number 4...along with mooting
>> itself in the process. are you that brain-dead?
>>
>> > 7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
>> > architecture, this is an overhead for the server.
>>
>> and what version of asp are you talking about? the one from 8 years ago?
>> asp
>> as of right now can backwardly support com. it's architecture is
>> completely
>> OOP based and everything runs from a NON-COM based framework. asp
>> performs
>> equally in speed to php and in a lot of cases, outperforms it. one of the
>> benefits of a company that creates a web language and also providing the
>> os
>> on which it will run, the functionality is built into the kernel itself.
>>
>> > 8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.
>>
>> the answer is, you need to say something that applies. mod_rewrite is
>> apache, not php. as i can run asp via apache, your point is moot...again!
>>
>> > 9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
>> > of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.
>>
>> funny how think, or imply, that asp and regex are strangers to eachother.
>> specifically, if i develop a vb < .net application, i have to reference
>> the
>> *scripting* library (you know, the web version of vb) in order to use
>> regex.
>> asp has *always* supported regex...vb.net is the first time regex was
>> directly supported, without COM, in vb. geee, why would that be? because
>> NO
>> NEW LANGUAGES BY MS HAVE A COM ARCHITECTURES.
>>
>> > 10. Greater control over error handling, and more detailed error
>> > messages.
>>
>> last i checked, try/catch/finally was introduced to asp around the same
>> time
>> it was supported in php. and, since it's the same construct, how do you
>> suppose php has greater control. further, both php and asp allow you to
>> generate customer error messages. as for the defined errors, i can only
>> laugh. leave out a semi-colon in php, run the page in the browser and
>> tell
>> me exactly what the error means...not to mention WHERE the *actual* error
>> is. ROFLMFAO !!!
>>
>> and, btw, when could you ever seemlessly integrate external resources
>> (not
>> just modules) into php. oh shit! you mean you had to use COM(). lol. in
>> asp,
>> if an api exists, i can consume it.
>>
>> how easy is it to set up php for debugging?
>>
>> can you use vb, c#, c, c++, or any one of 23 others to develop a php
>> solution?
>>
>> can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?
>>
>> if you have no clue as to the technology against which you are making
>> comparisons, how the fuck can you expect to be taken seriously?!!!
>> further,
>> how can you ever expect to pick the right tool for the job...which is
>> COMPLETELY what makes one better than the other! it's all relative to
>> changing factors that you don't even consider, troll.
>
> I just copy&pasted it, from the link at the bottom.
> You are quite right and I thank you for your valuable opinion.
> I have several friends that have opted for ASP over PHP and I wanted
> to understand the reasons.
>
> Just two more questions:
> 1- Do you actually prefer ASP to PHP?

no.

> 2- A bit off-topic but, What do you make of this statement?:
> The paragraphs below describes W3Schools' vision about future
> Internet Distributed Applications:
> "Executables, C++ (and Java too) must die
> Neither C++ nor Java can ever create standard components that can run
> on all computers. There is no room for these languages in future
> distributed applications. Executables are not standard. COM objects
> are not standard, DLL-files are not standard. Registry settings are
> not standard. INI-files are not standard. None of these components
> must be allowed to destroy your dream of a standard distributed
> application that will run on almost any computer in the world."
> http://www.w3schools.com/ngws/ngws_standards.asp

i usually, by default, disagree with any blanket, black/white
statement(s)...the more a claim is made in absolution, the more it tends to
be absolutely false. since the author cannot predict the future, he cannot
claim what any one language's place in it will be.

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 19:56:04 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 19:56:04 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 22:11:24 von bakermi

On Jan 18, 2:09=A0pm, "Steve" wrote:
> "bob" wrote in message
>
> news:fmq1mo$18vo$2@newsreader1.mclink.it...
>
> > Adam Frame wrote:
>
> >> Do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet? You, sir are=

> >> in need of a mouthwash with a bar of soap. If you cannot contribute to =
a
> >> civilized discussion without swearing and insults then don't contribute=

> >> at all.
>
> > I think Steve is in need of an *automatic BANNING MACHINE* whenever he
> > writes ...
>
> > I read 2 times what I wrote before posting anything. Please consider doi=
ng
> > that from now on.
>
> > Excuse me if OT
>
> lol. yes, an automatic banning machine would save me much time. instead of=

> having to respond, i'd just boot them off the internet onto which they wou=
ld
> n'er be allowed to return. ROFLMFAO!!!
>
> and btw, as i'm literate, i comprehend what i read...the *first* time
> around. i'm sorry you're a bit slower at it, but there's not so much i can=

> do there to help you out, mate.

"ROFLMFAO"? How old are you exactly?

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 18.01.2008 23:55:31 von Steve

wrote in message
news:e2179c76-49e0-447a-954e-9a9c8132b99d@u10g2000prn.google groups.com...
On Jan 18, 2:09 pm, "Steve" wrote:
> "bob" wrote in message
>
> news:fmq1mo$18vo$2@newsreader1.mclink.it...
>
> > Adam Frame wrote:
>
> >> Do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet? You, sir are
> >> in need of a mouthwash with a bar of soap. If you cannot contribute to
> >> a
> >> civilized discussion without swearing and insults then don't contribute
> >> at all.
>
> > I think Steve is in need of an *automatic BANNING MACHINE* whenever he
> > writes ...
>
> > I read 2 times what I wrote before posting anything. Please consider
> > doing
> > that from now on.
>
> > Excuse me if OT
>
> lol. yes, an automatic banning machine would save me much time. instead of
> having to respond, i'd just boot them off the internet onto which they
> would
> n'er be allowed to return. ROFLMFAO!!!
>
> and btw, as i'm literate, i comprehend what i read...the *first* time
> around. i'm sorry you're a bit slower at it, but there's not so much i can
> do there to help you out, mate.

>>"ROFLMFAO"? How old are you exactly?

93, and you?

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 20.01.2008 11:35:44 von 1001 Webs

On Jan 20, 9:40 am, Adam Frame wrote:
> Steve wrote:
> > "Adam Frame" wrote in message
> >news:Ya2dna-v0czkHRLaRVn_vwA@giganews.com...
> >> Do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet? You, sir are in
> >> need of a mouthwash with a bar of soap. If you cannot contribute to a
> >> civilized discussion without swearing and insults then don't contribute at
> >> all.
>
> > first of all, 'mouthwash' is the generic term for a product used *TO* wash
> > one's mouth. i think you mean that i need my mouth washed with...that would
> > be 'in need of a mouth wash with...'
>
> > the space is important. :)
>
> However nitpicking your response may seem, I did realise that once I had
> posted it and I thank you for your correction.
>
> Now back to the matter in hand, why is it that on the internet people
> find it more acceptable to swear, call people names and (god forbid)
> threaten others? I've never understood that.

That's easy to answer.
Because they are not face to face, they would think better otherwise.
But don't take it personal, it's just the way Usenet is and there are
even some positive sides in that attitude, such as frankness.

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 22.01.2008 13:27:29 von 1001 Webs

On Jan 20, 12:20 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter productions.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:40:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> >> Ali Bobo wrote:
> >>> On Jan 16, 7:31 pm, "Steve" wrote:
> >>>> "Ali Bobo" <1001w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>>news:3b0a3c54-0c8a-4465-9e33-566f84ecd966@v4g2000hsf.goo glegroups.com...
>
> >>>>> 1. PHP.NET the greatest API resource known to MAN
> >>>> completely relative statement. i can safely assume you've not
> >>>> experienced
> >>>> *all* api's known to man!
>
> >>>>> 2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
> >>>>> solution in PHP for you
> >>>> and this is in contrast to the support and examples/solutions
> >>>> afforded asp?
> >>>> think again.
>
> >>>>> 3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
> >>>>> anything goes.
> >>>> uhhhh, php is just as loose as asp - which is *vb script* NOT VB.
> >>>> asp.net,
> >>>> however, is more OOP capable than php AND forces strong data-typing.
> >>>> troll.
>
> >>>> as for which stylistic preference you have in writing code, who gives a
> >>>> fuck?!!!
>
> >>>>> 4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
> >>>>> however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!
> >>>> sorry, wrong again! i can run asp on linux boxes running apache. that
> >>>> technology is at least 8 years old, idiot.
>
> >>>>> 5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
> >>>>> also MySQL (also FREE).
> >>>> and, asp has *greater* built in support for these and more. last time i
> >>>> checked, ms was giving asp.net AND a world-class IDE for it's
> >>>> development
> >>>> away...i.e. FREE.
>
> >>>> next dumbass remark?
>
> >>>>> 6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
> >>>>> only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
> >>>>> modules installed.
> >>>> which completely bastardizes your statement number 4...along with
> >>>> mooting
> >>>> itself in the process. are you that brain-dead?
>
> >>>>> 7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
> >>>>> architecture, this is an overhead for the server.
> >>>> and what version of asp are you talking about? the one from 8 years
> >>>> ago? asp
> >>>> as of right now can backwardly support com. it's architecture is
> >>>> completely
> >>>> OOP based and everything runs from a NON-COM based framework. asp
> >>>> performs
> >>>> equally in speed to php and in a lot of cases, outperforms it. one of
> >>>> the
> >>>> benefits of a company that creates a web language and also providing
> >>>> the os
> >>>> on which it will run, the functionality is built into the kernel itself.
>
> >>>>> 8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.
> >>>> the answer is, you need to say something that applies. mod_rewrite is
> >>>> apache, not php. as i can run asp via apache, your point is
> >>>> moot...again!
>
> >>>>> 9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
> >>>>> of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.
> >>>> funny how think, or imply, that asp and regex are strangers to
> >>>> eachother.
> >>>> specifically, if i develop a vb < .net application, i have to
> >>>> reference the
> >>>> *scripting* library (you know, the web version of vb) in order to use
> >>>> regex.
> >>>> asp has *always* supported regex...vb.net is the first time regex was
> >>>> directly supported, without COM, in vb. geee, why would that be?
> >>>> because NO
> >>>> NEW LANGUAGES BY MS HAVE A COM ARCHITECTURES.
>
> >>>>> 10. Greater control over error handling, and more detailed error
> >>>>> messages.
> >>>> last i checked, try/catch/finally was introduced to asp around the
> >>>> same time
> >>>> it was supported in php. and, since it's the same construct, how do you
> >>>> suppose php has greater control. further, both php and asp allow you to
> >>>> generate customer error messages. as for the defined errors, i can only
> >>>> laugh. leave out a semi-colon in php, run the page in the browser and
> >>>> tell
> >>>> me exactly what the error means...not to mention WHERE the *actual*
> >>>> error
> >>>> is. ROFLMFAO !!!
>
> >>>> and, btw, when could you ever seemlessly integrate external resources
> >>>> (not
> >>>> just modules) into php. oh shit! you mean you had to use COM(). lol.
> >>>> in asp,
> >>>> if an api exists, i can consume it.
>
> >>>> how easy is it to set up php for debugging?
>
> >>>> can you use vb, c#, c, c++, or any one of 23 others to develop a php
> >>>> solution?
>
> >>>> can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?
>
> >>>> if you have no clue as to the technology against which you are making
> >>>> comparisons, how the fuck can you expect to be taken seriously?!!!
> >>>> further,
> >>>> how can you ever expect to pick the right tool for the job...which is
> >>>> COMPLETELY what makes one better than the other! it's all relative to
> >>>> changing factors that you don't even consider, troll.
>
> >>> I just copy&pasted it, from the link at the bottom.
> >>> You are quite right and I thank you for your valuable opinion.
> >>> I have several friends that have opted for ASP over PHP and I wanted
> >>> to understand the reasons.
>
> >>> Just two more questions:
> >>> 1- Do you actually prefer ASP to PHP?
> >>> 2- A bit off-topic but, What do you make of this statement?:
> >>> The paragraphs below describes W3Schools' vision about future
> >>> Internet Distributed Applications:
> >>> "Executables, C++ (and Java too) must die
> >>> Neither C++ nor Java can ever create standard components that can run
> >>> on all computers. There is no room for these languages in future
> >>> distributed applications. Executables are not standard. COM objects
> >>> are not standard, DLL-files are not standard. Registry settings are
> >>> not standard. INI-files are not standard. None of these components
> >>> must be allowed to destroy your dream of a standard distributed
> >>> application that will run on almost any computer in the world."
> >>>http://www.w3schools.com/ngws/ngws_standards.asp
>
> >> All of this are the opinions of one or two people who put together a web
> >> site. Nothing more, nothing less. It is worth exactly what you paid
> >> for it.
>
> >> Of course not everything's standard. That's because different people
> >> have different needs. And it will always remain that way.
>
> >Indeed, however they left out the most important reason to use PHP
>
> >It's not, never has been, and never will be, "Cursed By Microsoft".
>
> >This to me is so overwhelming, that all other reasons pale into
> >insignificance.
>
> >Nothing that Microsoft gets involved with ever works properly
> >thereafter. The temptation to make it only work with Microsoft products,
> >and if possible only the LATEST and MOST EXPENSIVE Microsoft products,
> >is usually overwhelming.
>
> You're just as fuckin stupid as the person who wrote the shit in the
> OP. I mean either you can step the fuck up and post actual examples
> and situations in which ASP fails and PHP does not...or you can't.
I beg to disagree.
I am more stupid and ignorant than he is.

> Yer just another dumbfuck (ie blind Microsoft hater), no different
> from the dumbfuck Mac humping flunkies or the dumbfuck Linux lovin ass
> stains...all y'all are a bunch of fuckin retards plain and simple.
> You base your NONpinions on trivial stupidity often directly linked to
> your short between the keyboard and chair, blaming your stupidity on
> Microsoft and grasping at anecdotal lames you slurped off some
> tweenage muppet fuck run Webbie board. 10 times out 10 when someone
> claims their problem is caused by Microsoft...it's really caused by
> their own stupidity, usually because Microsoft didn't hold their
> bumbling hand enough through the setup/installation or the system
> their running is using crap ass factory seconds garbageware they
> bought off eBay.
I beg to disagree again.
Microsoft Windows, for example, doesn't deliver what you're paying
for, which is quite a lot compared to Linux.
You can get software as good as Microsoft's for free and if you run
into trouble there will be other users out there to help you at no
cost.
And as for large corporations, communities, offices, etc. using Open
Source software has a lot of advantages too, such as stability,
compatibility and reducing huge costs.
We are in 2008 now Hatter, your arguments sound very 90sh.

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 22.01.2008 13:29:01 von 1001 Webs

On Jan 21, 10:29 am, Adam Frame wrote:
> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:40:32 +0100, Adam Frame
> > wrote:
>
> >> Steve wrote:
> >>> "Adam Frame" wrote in message
> >>>news:Ya2dna-v0czkHRLaRVn_vwA@giganews.com...
> >>>> Do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet? You, sir a=
re in
> >>>> need of a mouthwash with a bar of soap. If you cannot contribute to a=

> >>>> civilized discussion without swearing and insults then don't contribu=
te at
> >>>> all.
> >>> first of all, 'mouthwash' is the generic term for a product used *TO* =
wash
> >>> one's mouth. i think you mean that i need my mouth washed with...that =
would
> >>> be 'in need of a mouth wash with...'
>
> >>> the space is important. :)
>
> >> However nitpicking your response may seem, I did realise that once I ha=
d
> >> posted it and I thank you for your correction.
>
> >> Now back to the matter in hand, why is it that on the internet people
> >> find it more acceptable to swear, call people names and (god forbid)
> >> threaten others? I've never understood that.
>
> >> For me a much more damning response to a post you do not agree with is
> >> one which refutes each and every point you intend to without resorting
> >> to insults. You just debase your very own argument and make it much les=
s
> >> likely that you get your point across.
>
> >> My 2 cents.
>
> > The thing you don't get Newfag, is that not everyone is a church going
> > Christian conservative fuckhead like you are. And yeah, if the only
> > people you hang out with in the real world are OTHER newfag Christian
> > conservative fuckheads like yourself...obviously yer not gonna hear
> > much "foul language" (as your parents beat you to think).
>
> > Unfortunately for you, Newfag, the Internet is made up of people ALL
> > over the world of ALL different walks of life, cultures, subcultures,
> > interests, etc, etc. And in a LOT of those communities, the ones a
> > newfag Christian conservative like yourself has no fuckin cl00 about,
> > yeah, "foul language" is very much the norm and isn't actually
> > considered "foul" at all...then again these are the people whose
> > parents DIDN'T beat and molest them into feeling sick and dirty every
> > time they hear a word like CUNT.
>
> > --
>
> > Onideus Mad Hatter
> > mhm =B9 x =B9
> >http://www.backwater-productions.net
> >http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
>
> > Hatter Quotes
> > -------------
> > "You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
> > best."
>
> > "I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
> > with it."
>
> > "I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."
>
> > "Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."
>
> > "Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"
>
> > "Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
> > bad."
>
> > "There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."
>
> > "The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."
>
> > "Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
> > of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"
>
> > "Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
> > that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
> > of its relevancy."
>
> > "Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
> > creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."
>
> > "Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."
>
> > "People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
> > they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
> > givin em out for free."
>
> > "Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
> > So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
> > to their merry little mess."
>
> > "There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
> > horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
> > their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
> > sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
> > images burned into their tiny little minds'."
>
> > "How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
> > properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."
>
> > "Those who record history are those who control history."
>
> > "I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
> > endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
> > don't get sent to me...I come for you."
>
> > "Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
> > tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."
>
> > "Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
> > function?"
>
> > "Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
> > Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
> > indicates an increase in Webtv users."
>
> > "Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
> > gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )
>
> =A1Me cago en la leche de tu madre! =A1Hijo de puta, cabr=F3n!
> =A1Plasta de mierda, maric=F3n! (es como hablan en *mi* comunidad)
>

Excelente dominio del idioma Espa=F1ol.
=BFD=F3nde lo aprendi=F3?
Bueno, quiz=E1s no lo quiera saber ...

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 23.01.2008 07:02:05 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:27:29 -0800 (PST), Ali Bobo
<1001webs@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Yer just another dumbfuck (ie blind Microsoft hater), no different
>> from the dumbfuck Mac humping flunkies or the dumbfuck Linux lovin ass
>> stains...all y'all are a bunch of fuckin retards plain and simple.
>> You base your NONpinions on trivial stupidity often directly linked to
>> your short between the keyboard and chair, blaming your stupidity on
>> Microsoft and grasping at anecdotal lames you slurped off some
>> tweenage muppet fuck run Webbie board. 10 times out 10 when someone
>> claims their problem is caused by Microsoft...it's really caused by
>> their own stupidity, usually because Microsoft didn't hold their
>> bumbling hand enough through the setup/installation or the system
>> their running is using crap ass factory seconds garbageware they
>> bought off eBay.

>I beg to disagree again.

You can disagree all you like, Sparkles, it ain't gonna change
reality.

>Microsoft Windows, for example, doesn't deliver what you're paying
>for, which is quite a lot compared to Linux.
>You can get software as good as Microsoft's for free and if you run
>into trouble there will be other users out there to help you at no
>cost.

....unfortunately those users are often like me, often very
egotistical, having VERY little to no patience for newfags and people
who can't figure it out on their own. With Microsoft you get 24/7
tech support with a very friendly sounding, extremely patient tech
flunkie who will happily walk you through even the stupidest of
problems.

>And as for large corporations, communities, offices, etc. using Open
>Source software has a lot of advantages too, such as stability,
>compatibility and reducing huge costs.

Too bad you're still only a child, if you were an adult and actually
worked in the REAL WORLD, you would know that using open source
freeware is actually MORE costly than using software that costs
money...mostly in that open source software doesn't come with a free
24/7 tech support line to help you out of a jam every other five
minutes throughout the day. Also very few college level programs in
IT will bother with open source freeware, which means that the vast
majority of college flunkie graduates that make it into the IT field
won't have a gawd damn clue as to how to even get the open source
stuff to work...and yer lil pipe dream about an online community full
of helpful users who want to work for free...yeah, get fuckin real you
dumbass.

>We are in 2008 now Hatter, your arguments sound very 90sh.

On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
nose for every little hiccup. Everyone who isn't fuckin retarded
knows that most Linux oriented companies are in it for the jacked up
tech support fees. They go to dumbfuck companies that don't know any
better, peddling "free software solutions" and WOW, boy they sure
think they're getting a deal...that is until something goes wrong and
the company that set up the software for 'em suddenly starts goin,
"Well uh...ya see...that's gonna cost ya extra if you want help..."

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 23.01.2008 07:02:05 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 23.01.2008 07:02:05 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 23.01.2008 07:19:24 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:02:05 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:

>On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
>companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
>whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
>actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
>nose for every little hiccup. Everyone who isn't fuckin retarded
>knows that most Linux oriented companies are in it for the jacked up
>tech support fees. They go to dumbfuck companies that don't know any
>better, peddling "free software solutions" and WOW, boy they sure
>think they're getting a deal...that is until something goes wrong and
>the company that set up the software for 'em suddenly starts goin,
>"Well uh...ya see...that's gonna cost ya extra if you want help..."

I forgot about this lil gem:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/Dell_Li nux_Support.png

Dell's new Linux installed machines sure are a great deal...well,
until you need help. LOL

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 23.01.2008 07:19:24 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 23.01.2008 07:19:24 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 23.01.2008 10:15:14 von 1001 Webs

On Jan 23, 7:02 am, Onideus Mad Hatter productions.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:27:29 -0800 (PST), Ali Bobo
>
> <1001w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yer just another dumbfuck (ie blind Microsoft hater), no different
> >> from the dumbfuck Mac humping flunkies or the dumbfuck Linux lovin ass
> >> stains...all y'all are a bunch of fuckin retards plain and simple.
> >> You base your NONpinions on trivial stupidity often directly linked to
> >> your short between the keyboard and chair, blaming your stupidity on
> >> Microsoft and grasping at anecdotal lames you slurped off some
> >> tweenage muppet fuck run Webbie board. 10 times out 10 when someone
> >> claims their problem is caused by Microsoft...it's really caused by
> >> their own stupidity, usually because Microsoft didn't hold their
> >> bumbling hand enough through the setup/installation or the system
> >> their running is using crap ass factory seconds garbageware they
> >> bought off eBay.
> >I beg to disagree again.
>
> You can disagree all you like, Sparkles, it ain't gonna change
> reality.
>
> >Microsoft Windows, for example, doesn't deliver what you're paying
> >for, which is quite a lot compared to Linux.
> >You can get software as good as Microsoft's for free and if you run
> >into trouble there will be other users out there to help you at no
> >cost.
>
> ...unfortunately those users are often like me, often very
> egotistical, having VERY little to no patience for newfags and people
> who can't figure it out on their own. With Microsoft you get 24/7
> tech support with a very friendly sounding, extremely patient tech
> flunkie who will happily walk you through even the stupidest of
> problems.
>
> >And as for large corporations, communities, offices, etc. using Open
> >Source software has a lot of advantages too, such as stability,
> >compatibility and reducing huge costs.
>
> Too bad you're still only a child, if you were an adult and actually
> worked in the REAL WORLD, you would know that using open source
> freeware is actually MORE costly than using software that costs
> money...mostly in that open source software doesn't come with a free
> 24/7 tech support line to help you out of a jam every other five
> minutes throughout the day. Also very few college level programs in
> IT will bother with open source freeware, which means that the vast
> majority of college flunkie graduates that make it into the IT field
> won't have a gawd damn clue as to how to even get the open source
> stuff to work...and yer lil pipe dream about an online community full
> of helpful users who want to work for free...yeah, get fuckin real you
> dumbass.
>
> >We are in 2008 now Hatter, your arguments sound very 90sh.
>
> On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
> companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
> whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
> actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
> nose for every little hiccup. Everyone who isn't fuckin retarded
> knows that most Linux oriented companies are in it for the jacked up
> tech support fees. They go to dumbfuck companies that don't know any
> better, peddling "free software solutions" and WOW, boy they sure
> think they're getting a deal...that is until something goes wrong and
> the company that set up the software for 'em suddenly starts goin,
> "Well uh...ya see...that's gonna cost ya extra if you want help..."

The fact remains that Microsoft's entire infrastructure is based on
fundamentally flawed designs, not buggy code. These designs can't be
changed.

To change them, Microsoft would have to dump all existing APIs and
break compatibility with everything up till now. If Microsoft does do
this, it will have the opportunity to fix the designs that plague its
product lineup.

I doubt it will. Even .Net, the new secure infrastructure, and built
with security in mind, lets you have access to the 'old ways'. Yes,
you are not supposed to, but people somehow do, and hackers will.
Microsoft and its customer are addicted to backwards compatibility in
a way that makes a heroin addict look silly.

And if Microsoft does change its ways, what incentive will you have to
stick with Microsoft? If you have to start over from scratch to build
your app in this new, secure Microsoft environment, will you pay the
hundreds or thousands of dollars to go the Microsoft route, or the $0
to go with Linux?

In the enterprise Linux space, 2006 was marked by greater expansion of
Linux into vertical markets, new products, and most notably, a string
of surprise business deals among vendors.

Additional companies entered the Linux vendor pool this year, as well,
with the rollouts of new multifunctional network management
appliances, antivirus products, business intelligence (BI) software,
and other third-party wares at Networld + Interop, LinuxWorld, and
other computing conferences.

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3651486

For your viewing pleasure:
Microsoft Likes (Novell) Linux
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3641676

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 23.01.2008 21:45:23 von rosoft

Hi

I can see one reason for PHP in stead of ASP and ASP.NET. PHP on a Linux is
FREEWARE. Since when did Microsoft release any FREEWARE. In other means to
descuss which tool is best is dependent on your opinion.

Lars

"Onideus Mad Hatter" skrev i meddelandet
news:kdldp31cjv3pn0fh4tvakv9m6gv96pcqcu@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:27:29 -0800 (PST), Ali Bobo
> <1001webs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Yer just another dumbfuck (ie blind Microsoft hater), no different
>>> from the dumbfuck Mac humping flunkies or the dumbfuck Linux lovin ass
>>> stains...all y'all are a bunch of fuckin retards plain and simple.
>>> You base your NONpinions on trivial stupidity often directly linked to
>>> your short between the keyboard and chair, blaming your stupidity on
>>> Microsoft and grasping at anecdotal lames you slurped off some
>>> tweenage muppet fuck run Webbie board. 10 times out 10 when someone
>>> claims their problem is caused by Microsoft...it's really caused by
>>> their own stupidity, usually because Microsoft didn't hold their
>>> bumbling hand enough through the setup/installation or the system
>>> their running is using crap ass factory seconds garbageware they
>>> bought off eBay.
>
>>I beg to disagree again.
>
> You can disagree all you like, Sparkles, it ain't gonna change
> reality.
>
>>Microsoft Windows, for example, doesn't deliver what you're paying
>>for, which is quite a lot compared to Linux.
>>You can get software as good as Microsoft's for free and if you run
>>into trouble there will be other users out there to help you at no
>>cost.
>
> ...unfortunately those users are often like me, often very
> egotistical, having VERY little to no patience for newfags and people
> who can't figure it out on their own. With Microsoft you get 24/7
> tech support with a very friendly sounding, extremely patient tech
> flunkie who will happily walk you through even the stupidest of
> problems.
>
>>And as for large corporations, communities, offices, etc. using Open
>>Source software has a lot of advantages too, such as stability,
>>compatibility and reducing huge costs.
>
> Too bad you're still only a child, if you were an adult and actually
> worked in the REAL WORLD, you would know that using open source
> freeware is actually MORE costly than using software that costs
> money...mostly in that open source software doesn't come with a free
> 24/7 tech support line to help you out of a jam every other five
> minutes throughout the day. Also very few college level programs in
> IT will bother with open source freeware, which means that the vast
> majority of college flunkie graduates that make it into the IT field
> won't have a gawd damn clue as to how to even get the open source
> stuff to work...and yer lil pipe dream about an online community full
> of helpful users who want to work for free...yeah, get fuckin real you
> dumbass.
>
>>We are in 2008 now Hatter, your arguments sound very 90sh.
>
> On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
> companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
> whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
> actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
> nose for every little hiccup. Everyone who isn't fuckin retarded
> knows that most Linux oriented companies are in it for the jacked up
> tech support fees. They go to dumbfuck companies that don't know any
> better, peddling "free software solutions" and WOW, boy they sure
> think they're getting a deal...that is until something goes wrong and
> the company that set up the software for 'em suddenly starts goin,
> "Well uh...ya see...that's gonna cost ya extra if you want help..."
>
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm ¹ x ¹
> http://www.backwater-productions.net
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
>
>
> Hatter Quotes
> -------------
> "You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
> best."
>
> "I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
> with it."
>
> "I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."
>
> "Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."
>
> "Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"
>
> "Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
> bad."
>
> "There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."
>
> "The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."
>
> "Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
> of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"
>
> "Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
> that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
> of its relevancy."
>
> "Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
> creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."
>
> "Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."
>
> "People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
> they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
> givin em out for free."
>
> "Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
> So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
> to their merry little mess."
>
> "There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
> horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
> their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
> sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
> images burned into their tiny little minds'."
>
> "How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
> properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."
>
> "Those who record history are those who control history."
>
> "I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
> endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
> don't get sent to me...I come for you."
>
> "Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
> tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."
>
> "Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
> function?"
>
> "Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
> Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
> indicates an increase in Webtv users."
>
> "Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
> gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 23.01.2008 21:45:23 von rosoft

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 23.01.2008 21:45:23 von rosoft

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:28:32 von Steve

"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
news:kdldp31cjv3pn0fh4tvakv9m6gv96pcqcu@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:27:29 -0800 (PST), Ali Bobo
> <1001webs@gmail.com> wrote:

> ...unfortunately those users are often like me, often very
> egotistical, having VERY little to no patience for newfags and people
> who can't figure it out on their own. With Microsoft you get 24/7
> tech support with a very friendly sounding, extremely patient tech
> flunkie who will happily walk you through even the stupidest of
> problems.

you and they have only egotism to share. they actually know windows, *nix,
et. al.

>>And as for large corporations, communities, offices, etc. using Open
>>Source software has a lot of advantages too, such as stability,
>>compatibility and reducing huge costs.
>
> Too bad you're still only a child, if you were an adult and actually
> worked in the REAL WORLD,

omh, when did you suddenly get a job in the 'real world'? aren't you still a
walmart employee? and that, at an individual location and not in bentonville
corporate? further, don't you still live with your mom?

if you've joined the rest of us in the 'real world', we'd love to
congratulate you...and send sympathy cards to your new employer. hey, we
might actually have to consider your pov as mattering when you debate
someone here...as it would now have been honed by actual practice and
application.

>>We are in 2008 now Hatter, your arguments sound very 90sh.
>
> On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
> companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
> whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
> actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
> nose for every little hiccup.

wow, the 4.2 billion dollar per year corporation for whom i work has been
running it's critical applications using php and rhl since php 3, rhl 5.
until recently, neither offered any help. we did just fine. now that rhl
does offer support, it may make someone in another department have warm and
cozy feelings...but, from the cio down to the actual sys admins, we've never
been worried. and, we've only ever been down due to power or connectivity
issues. no os is immune to either of those. we're still doing just fine.

again though, did you say you had joined us in the 'real world' yet?

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:28:32 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:28:32 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:32:10 von Steve

"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
news:d1ndp39beh5v7v4mrou386034g60st6g3f@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:02:05 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
> wrote:
>
>>On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
>>companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
>>whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
>>actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
>>nose for every little hiccup. Everyone who isn't fuckin retarded
>>knows that most Linux oriented companies are in it for the jacked up
>>tech support fees. They go to dumbfuck companies that don't know any
>>better, peddling "free software solutions" and WOW, boy they sure
>>think they're getting a deal...that is until something goes wrong and
>>the company that set up the software for 'em suddenly starts goin,
>>"Well uh...ya see...that's gonna cost ya extra if you want help..."
>
> I forgot about this lil gem:
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/Dell_Li nux_Support.png
>
> Dell's new Linux installed machines sure are a great deal...well,
> until you need help. LOL

hmmm...the only free support you get from ms is 3 calls within the first
year of installation/purchase. that's for an individual. you *always* pay
for support from ms if you are a corporation. ever price msdn subscriptions?
ever actually call for support from ms? exhorbidant is the only word that
comes to mind. i suppose you haven't. nothing is free, my dear boy.

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:32:10 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:32:10 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:41:22 von Steve

"Ali Bobo" <1001webs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:54cc258f-89aa-4af1-8da8-397e1ee3607a@v29g2000hsf.google groups.com...
> On Jan 23, 7:02 am, Onideus Mad Hatter
> I doubt it will. Even .Net, the new secure infrastructure, and built
> with security in mind, lets you have access to the 'old ways'. Yes,
> you are not supposed to, but people somehow do, and hackers will.
> Microsoft and its customer are addicted to backwards compatibility in
> a way that makes a heroin addict look silly.

yes, it's called keeping customers (for ms) and, not redesigning your entire
business application layer (for the customer). that's silly?

> And if Microsoft does change its ways, what incentive will you have to
> stick with Microsoft? If you have to start over from scratch to build
> your app in this new, secure Microsoft environment, will you pay the
> hundreds or thousands of dollars to go the Microsoft route, or the $0
> to go with Linux?

$0 with linux? that's a blanket statement without context and lends itself
very ammenably to fit, in forfieture, in the recyling bin.

> In the enterprise Linux space, 2006 was marked by greater expansion of
> Linux into vertical markets, new products, and most notably, a string
> of surprise business deals among vendors.

i get the impression, ali, that you've no idea what you've just said...hmmm,
all i need is some proof...

> Additional companies entered the Linux vendor pool this year, as well,
> with the rollouts of new multifunctional network management
> appliances, antivirus products, business intelligence (BI) software,
> and other third-party wares at Networld + Interop, LinuxWorld, and
> other computing conferences.

same as the above...but, where's my proof? oh yeah, happily plagurized from
the link you posted here:

> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3651486

i knew i shouldn't give you too much credit for sounding 'credible'.
compared to your other posts, you actually started to sound smart...until i
see that you've merely mastered CTL+C, CTL+V.

;7)

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:41:22 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:41:22 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:46:37 von Steve

"rosoft" wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> I can see one reason for PHP in stead of ASP and ASP.NET. PHP on a Linux
> is FREEWARE. Since when did Microsoft release any FREEWARE. In other means
> to descuss which tool is best is dependent on your opinion.

hey numbnutz, did you not read the whole thread? ok, go ahead, jump right in
there...but you make yourself look dim. now, to recap...

asp.net AND the MSVS IDE are BOTH FREE-ly available for download from
microsoft. ms gives away lots o' shit whenever they start losing
audiences...say, a surge in people making more web applications out of php
and the like. now since your claim was ms releasing *any* freeware, showing
that they produce at least *one*, falsifies your claim. however, if you
aren't sufficiently silenced from making uniformed, opinionated comments,
i'll be happy to produce a list of 'freeware' available from ms...or you can
search ms and see a ton for yourself.

next.

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:46:37 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:46:37 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:55:17 von Steve

"Ali Bobo" <1001webs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:248c4f0d-e1b7-49cb-8f21-2963e1e666fb@v67g2000hse.google groups.com...
> On Jan 20, 9:40 am, Adam Frame wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>> > "Adam Frame" wrote in message
>> >news:Ya2dna-v0czkHRLaRVn_vwA@giganews.com...
>> >> Do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet? You, sir
>> >> are in
>> >> need of a mouthwash with a bar of soap. If you cannot contribute to a
>> >> civilized discussion without swearing and insults then don't
>> >> contribute at
>> >> all.
>>
>> > first of all, 'mouthwash' is the generic term for a product used *TO*
>> > wash
>> > one's mouth. i think you mean that i need my mouth washed with...that
>> > would
>> > be 'in need of a mouth wash with...'
>>
>> > the space is important. :)
>>
>> However nitpicking your response may seem, I did realise that once I had
>> posted it and I thank you for your correction.
>>
>> Now back to the matter in hand, why is it that on the internet people
>> find it more acceptable to swear, call people names and (god forbid)
>> threaten others? I've never understood that.
>
> That's easy to answer.
> Because they are not face to face, they would think better otherwise.

nah, i'd still tell him he was full of shit.

> But don't take it personal, it's just the way Usenet is and there are
> even some positive sides in that attitude, such as frankness.

exactly. (and royness too).

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:55:17 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 22:55:17 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 23:05:11 von Steve

"Ali Bobo" <1001webs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 21, 10:29 am, Adam Frame wrote:

Excelente dominio del idioma Español.
¿Dónde lo aprendió?
Bueno, quizás no lo quiera saber ...

==========

y, de quien te molesta por te dar las palabras escribir aqui. sin linguas
del espanol en total!

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 23:05:11 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 25.01.2008 23:05:11 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 01.02.2008 19:41:45 von Onideus Mad Hatter

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:32:10 -0600, "Steve"
wrote:

>
>"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
>news:d1ndp39beh5v7v4mrou386034g60st6g3f@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:02:05 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
>>>companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
>>>whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
>>>actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
>>>nose for every little hiccup. Everyone who isn't fuckin retarded
>>>knows that most Linux oriented companies are in it for the jacked up
>>>tech support fees. They go to dumbfuck companies that don't know any
>>>better, peddling "free software solutions" and WOW, boy they sure
>>>think they're getting a deal...that is until something goes wrong and
>>>the company that set up the software for 'em suddenly starts goin,
>>>"Well uh...ya see...that's gonna cost ya extra if you want help..."
>>
>> I forgot about this lil gem:
>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/Dell_Li nux_Support.png
>>
>> Dell's new Linux installed machines sure are a great deal...well,
>> until you need help. LOL
>
>hmmm...the only free support you get from ms is 3 calls within the first
>year of installation/purchase. that's for an individual. you *always* pay
>for support from ms if you are a corporation. ever price msdn subscriptions?
>ever actually call for support from ms? exhorbidant is the only word that
>comes to mind. i suppose you haven't. nothing is free, my dear boy.

Oh Stevie, you're still so very much retarded, aren't you? With
Windows there is endless shitloads of support, from hand holding
software setup wizards and tutorials guiding you through each step,
dozens of different templates, thousands of handy tool tips, highly
automated/advanced troubleshooting and configuration allowing even the
biggest idiots to install practically anything and have it work the
first time right out of the box. Then of course there's the Microsoft
Knowledge Base...do be sure and let us all know when one of the Linux
distros manages to get something similar.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 01.02.2008 19:41:45 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 01.02.2008 19:41:45 von Onideus Mad Hatter

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 01.02.2008 21:37:51 von Steve

"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
news:27p6q39qjfcivsv16nfqnckvnoptm289o0@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:32:10 -0600, "Steve"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Onideus Mad Hatter" wrote in message
>>news:d1ndp39beh5v7v4mrou386034g60st6g3f@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:02:05 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
>>>>companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
>>>>whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
>>>>actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
>>>>nose for every little hiccup. Everyone who isn't fuckin retarded
>>>>knows that most Linux oriented companies are in it for the jacked up
>>>>tech support fees. They go to dumbfuck companies that don't know any
>>>>better, peddling "free software solutions" and WOW, boy they sure
>>>>think they're getting a deal...that is until something goes wrong and
>>>>the company that set up the software for 'em suddenly starts goin,
>>>>"Well uh...ya see...that's gonna cost ya extra if you want help..."
>>>
>>> I forgot about this lil gem:
>>> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/Dell_Li nux_Support.png
>>>
>>> Dell's new Linux installed machines sure are a great deal...well,
>>> until you need help. LOL
>>
>>hmmm...the only free support you get from ms is 3 calls within the first
>>year of installation/purchase. that's for an individual. you *always* pay
>>for support from ms if you are a corporation. ever price msdn
>>subscriptions?
>>ever actually call for support from ms? exhorbidant is the only word that
>>comes to mind. i suppose you haven't. nothing is free, my dear boy.
>
> Oh Stevie, you're still so very much retarded, aren't you? With
> Windows there is endless shitloads of support, from hand holding
> software setup wizards and tutorials guiding you through each step,
> dozens of different templates, thousands of handy tool tips, highly
> automated/advanced troubleshooting and configuration allowing even the
> biggest idiots to install practically anything and have it work the
> first time right out of the box. Then of course there's the Microsoft
> Knowledge Base...do be sure and let us all know when one of the Linux
> distros manages to get something similar.

still gainfully employed behind the walmart cash register? thought so. still
living with your mom? thought so.

maybe your 'technical expertise' will be more valid once you have a job that
at least kind of resembles programming or technology based infrastructures.
for this topic, you'd have had to manage the budget of a tech. dept. before
anyone would listen.

dream big, oh rotunda, dream big. maybe some day some one will hire you. :)

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 01.02.2008 21:37:51 von Steve

Re: 10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP

am 01.02.2008 21:37:51 von Steve