webpage hit counter in PHP

am 20.01.2008 17:11:43 von unknown

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Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 20.01.2008 17:40:04 von Luuk

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> Where would I find a website hit counter written preferably in PHP? I
> do not have shell access to the web provider so installation would
> have to be via FTP only (no make or compilation).

finding is not dificult: http://tinyurl.com/33wqor

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am 20.01.2008 17:40:04 von Luuk

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am 21.01.2008 10:59:50 von unknown

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Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 21.01.2008 11:15:20 von rf

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> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:40:04 +0100, "Luuk" wrote:
>
>>> Where would I find a website hit counter written preferably in PHP? I
>>> do not have shell access to the web provider so installation would
>>> have to be via FTP only (no make or compilation).
>>
>>finding is not dificult: http://tinyurl.com/33wqor
>
> I can google as well. I was wondering if anyone had used one which
> they could recommend.

Write one. It'd be only about ten lines long. Maybe fifteen if you want
bells and whistles.

--
Richard.

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am 21.01.2008 11:15:20 von rf

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 21.01.2008 11:25:34 von Luuk

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> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:40:04 +0100, "Luuk" wrote:
>
>>> Where would I find a website hit counter written preferably in PHP? I
>>> do not have shell access to the web provider so installation would
>>> have to be via FTP only (no make or compilation).
>>
>>finding is not dificult: http://tinyurl.com/33wqor
>
> I can google as well. I was wondering if anyone had used one which
> they could recommend.

http://www.developingwebs.net/phpclass/hitcounter.php

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am 21.01.2008 11:25:34 von Luuk

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am 24.01.2008 04:26:25 von unknown

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Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 24.01.2008 05:04:04 von Jerry Stuckle

frodobaggins@cornwall.privacy wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:34 +0100, "Luuk" wrote:
>
>>>>> Where would I find a website hit counter written preferably in PHP? I
>>>>> do not have shell access to the web provider so installation would
>>>>> have to be via FTP only (no make or compilation).
>>>> finding is not dificult: http://tinyurl.com/33wqor
>>> I can google as well. I was wondering if anyone had used one which
>>> they could recommend.
>> http://www.developingwebs.net/phpclass/hitcounter.php
>
> That works. But can anyone recommend a professional looking hit
> counter which outputs a graphic file, instead of simply text?
>

No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
pump their egos.

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Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 24.01.2008 05:04:04 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 24.01.2008 16:15:14 von Hans-Peter Sauer

> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
> pump their egos.
>

Is it you who decides for everybody else what is or isnt professional .

Excuse the silly question .....

But if your opinions are so important and stuff - then why dont other
people quote them on usenet .

Isnt it true that you yourself only post to usenet in a amateur capacity
in order to boost and pump up your own ego ? .

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 24.01.2008 16:15:14 von Hans-Peter Sauer

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> >http://www.developingwebs.net/phpclass/hitcounter.php
>
> That works. But can anyone recommend a professional looking hit
> counter which outputs a graphic file, instead of simply text?
>

I havent looked at the above but assume its a text hit counter .

But to produce a graphic file hit counter then all you really need is 10
gif or jpg images that are numbered 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 .

- grab the text count
- create a background image (or load a image you done earlier)
- paste each 0-9 image onto the background image

You will then have a graphic file hit counter image that you can display
instead of a plain text counter .

Roughly speaking , The same php/gd skills used to create a image code
are used to create a hit counter graphic file .

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am 24.01.2008 16:15:14 von Hans-Peter Sauer

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am 24.01.2008 16:15:14 von Hans-Peter Sauer

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 24.01.2008 17:07:21 von Paul Herber

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:15:14 -0000, Krustov wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
>> pump their egos.
>>
>
>Is it you who decides for everybody else what is or isnt professional .
>
>
>Excuse the silly question .....
>
>But if your opinions are so important and stuff - then why dont other
>people quote them on usenet .
>
>Isnt it true that you yourself only post to usenet in a amateur capacity
>in order to boost and pump up your own ego ? .

Krusty, wipe the rabid foam from your mouth.

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http://www.sandrila.co.uk/ http://www.pherber.com/

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 24.01.2008 17:07:21 von Paul Herber

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 24.01.2008 20:22:37 von Animesh Kumar

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> frodobaggins@cornwall.privacy wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:34 +0100, "Luuk" wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Where would I find a website hit counter written preferably in PHP? I
>>>>>> do not have shell access to the web provider so installation would
>>>>>> have to be via FTP only (no make or compilation).
>>>>> finding is not dificult: http://tinyurl.com/33wqor
>>>> I can google as well. I was wondering if anyone had used one which
>>>> they could recommend.
>>> http://www.developingwebs.net/phpclass/hitcounter.php
>>
>> That works. But can anyone recommend a professional looking hit
>> counter which outputs a graphic file, instead of simply text?
>>
>
> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
> pump their egos.
>

Heard of google analytics?

http://64.233.179.110/analytics/tour/index_en-US.html

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 24.01.2008 20:22:37 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 25.01.2008 04:33:58 von Jerry Stuckle

Animesh K wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> frodobaggins@cornwall.privacy wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:34 +0100, "Luuk" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Where would I find a website hit counter written preferably in
>>>>>>> PHP? I
>>>>>>> do not have shell access to the web provider so installation would
>>>>>>> have to be via FTP only (no make or compilation).
>>>>>> finding is not dificult: http://tinyurl.com/33wqor
>>>>> I can google as well. I was wondering if anyone had used one which
>>>>> they could recommend.
>>>> http://www.developingwebs.net/phpclass/hitcounter.php
>>>
>>> That works. But can anyone recommend a professional looking hit
>>> counter which outputs a graphic file, instead of simply text?
>>>
>>
>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
>> pump their egos.
>>
>
> Heard of google analytics?
>
> http://64.233.179.110/analytics/tour/index_en-US.html
>

Google analytics is not a counter.

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Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 25.01.2008 04:33:58 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 25.01.2008 20:17:49 von Michael Fesser

..oO(Krustov)

>
>
>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
>> pump their egos.
>
>Is it you who decides for everybody else what is or isnt professional .

Hit counters are _never_ professional. They are of no interest for the
users (use rand() if you want to show an impressive number to them) and
the real informations are available in the server's logfile.

Micha

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 25.01.2008 20:17:49 von Michael Fesser

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 25.01.2008 20:17:55 von Michael Fesser

..oO(Animesh K)

>Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
>> pump their egos.
>
>Heard of google analytics?

Yes. It's in my filter.

Micha

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 25.01.2008 20:17:55 von Michael Fesser

..oO(Animesh K)

>Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
>> pump their egos.
>
>Heard of google analytics?

Yes. It's in my filter.

Micha

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 25.01.2008 21:17:22 von John Dunlop

Michael Fesser:

> and the real informations are available in the server's logfile.

Although these data are often misinterpreted, misrepresented, and are
generally of no concern to the user.

--
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Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 25.01.2008 22:50:03 von Animesh Kumar

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Animesh K wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> frodobaggins@cornwall.privacy wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:34 +0100, "Luuk" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where would I find a website hit counter written preferably in
>>>>>>>> PHP? I
>>>>>>>> do not have shell access to the web provider so installation would
>>>>>>>> have to be via FTP only (no make or compilation).
>>>>>>> finding is not dificult: http://tinyurl.com/33wqor
>>>>>> I can google as well. I was wondering if anyone had used one which
>>>>>> they could recommend.
>>>>> http://www.developingwebs.net/phpclass/hitcounter.php
>>>>
>>>> That works. But can anyone recommend a professional looking hit
>>>> counter which outputs a graphic file, instead of simply text?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
>>> pump their egos.
>>>
>>
>> Heard of google analytics?
>>
>> http://64.233.179.110/analytics/tour/index_en-US.html
>>
>
> Google analytics is not a counter.
>

eh that way if I graph the output of my counter, you will call it as
plotter instead of counter.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 25.01.2008 22:50:03 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 25.01.2008 22:52:32 von Animesh Kumar

Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(Krustov)
>
>>
>>
>>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
>>> pump their egos.
>> Is it you who decides for everybody else what is or isnt professional .
>
> Hit counters are _never_ professional. They are of no interest for the
> users (use rand() if you want to show an impressive number to them) and
> the real informations are available in the server's logfile.
>
> Micha

People do have page-view (counter) information on websites and it helps
the viewer in understanding popularity of that particular page.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mOeuar5LmtU

For example this has been viewd 280,XXX times, voted 510 times, and has
a 4-* rating. All these are "counters" of different kind and provide a
lot of information related to this particular video.

Perhaps you mean that stuff like sitemeter is boring, but it isn't
completely useless or unprofessional.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 25.01.2008 22:52:32 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 26.01.2008 00:06:02 von Jerry Stuckle

Animesh K wrote:
> Michael Fesser wrote:
>> .oO(Krustov)
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs
>>>> to pump their egos.
>>> Is it you who decides for everybody else what is or isnt professional .
>>
>> Hit counters are _never_ professional. They are of no interest for the
>> users (use rand() if you want to show an impressive number to them) and
>> the real informations are available in the server's logfile.
>>
>> Micha
>
> People do have page-view (counter) information on websites and it helps
> the viewer in understanding popularity of that particular page.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=mOeuar5LmtU
>
> For example this has been viewd 280,XXX times, voted 510 times, and has
> a 4-* rating. All these are "counters" of different kind and provide a
> lot of information related to this particular video.
>
> Perhaps you mean that stuff like sitemeter is boring, but it isn't
> completely useless or unprofessional.
>

And youtube is the latest in professional web design? ROFLMAO!

It's fine for those who need their egos stroked. But it's not professional.

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Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 26.01.2008 00:06:02 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 26.01.2008 00:06:37 von Jerry Stuckle

Animesh K wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Animesh K wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> frodobaggins@cornwall.privacy wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:34 +0100, "Luuk" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where would I find a website hit counter written preferably in
>>>>>>>>> PHP? I
>>>>>>>>> do not have shell access to the web provider so installation would
>>>>>>>>> have to be via FTP only (no make or compilation).
>>>>>>>> finding is not dificult: http://tinyurl.com/33wqor
>>>>>>> I can google as well. I was wondering if anyone had used one which
>>>>>>> they could recommend.
>>>>>> http://www.developingwebs.net/phpclass/hitcounter.php
>>>>>
>>>>> That works. But can anyone recommend a professional looking hit
>>>>> counter which outputs a graphic file, instead of simply text?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs
>>>> to pump their egos.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Heard of google analytics?
>>>
>>> http://64.233.179.110/analytics/tour/index_en-US.html
>>>
>>
>> Google analytics is not a counter.
>>
>
> eh that way if I graph the output of my counter, you will call it as
> plotter instead of counter.
>

Nope. It's a counter. Google Analytics is something completely
different - and there for a different reason.

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Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 26.01.2008 00:06:37 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 26.01.2008 07:27:21 von Floor

Animesh K:

> People do have page-view (counter) information on websites and it helps
> the viewer in understanding popularity of that particular page.

What influence would have the popularity of a page on my search behavior?
I mostly seek pages that aren't that popular.
Just like entering a super market and knowing what product is bought most.
Not relevant whatsoever.

--
Floor

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 26.01.2008 07:27:21 von Floor

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 26.01.2008 09:40:56 von saidar500

On Jan 25, 10:17=A0pm, Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(Krustov)
>
> >
>
> >> No counters look "professional". =A0They are just a way for amateurs to=

> >> pump their egos.
>
> >Is it you who decides for everybody else what is or isnt professional .
>
> Hit counters are _never_ professional. They are of no interest for the
> users (use rand() if you want to show an impressive number to them) and
> the real informations are available in the server's logfile.
>
> Micha

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 26.01.2008 09:41:11 von saidar500

On Jan 25, 10:17=A0pm, Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(Animesh K)
>
> >Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> >> No counters look "professional". =A0They are just a way for amateurs to=

> >> pump their egos.
>
> >Heard of google analytics?
>
> Yes. It's in my filter.
>
> Micha

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 20:22:55 von Animesh Kumar

Floor wrote:
> Animesh K:
>
>> People do have page-view (counter) information on websites and it helps
>> the viewer in understanding popularity of that particular page.
>
> What influence would have the popularity of a page on my search behavior?
> I mostly seek pages that aren't that popular.
> Just like entering a super market and knowing what product is bought most.
> Not relevant whatsoever.
>

For you it may not be the best idea. However, a lot of people sort items
by popularity. A page view count directly gives the impression of
current page's popularity.

May be you look for less known things; but imagine a yellow-page website
and you searched for "camera." Would you like to visit a shop with
lowest views/responses or would you rather be cautious and visit the
more popular one?

Again, this is just one example. I am sure you can construct your own.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 20:22:55 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 20:25:09 von Animesh Kumar

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Animesh K wrote:
>> Michael Fesser wrote:
>>> .oO(Krustov)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs
>>>>> to pump their egos.
>>>> Is it you who decides for everybody else what is or isnt professional .
>>>
>>> Hit counters are _never_ professional. They are of no interest for the
>>> users (use rand() if you want to show an impressive number to them) and
>>> the real informations are available in the server's logfile.
>>>
>>> Micha
>>
>> People do have page-view (counter) information on websites and it
>> helps the viewer in understanding popularity of that particular page.
>>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=mOeuar5LmtU
>>
>> For example this has been viewd 280,XXX times, voted 510 times, and
>> has a 4-* rating. All these are "counters" of different kind and
>> provide a lot of information related to this particular video.
>>
>> Perhaps you mean that stuff like sitemeter is boring, but it isn't
>> completely useless or unprofessional.
>>
>
> And youtube is the latest in professional web design? ROFLMAO!
>
> It's fine for those who need their egos stroked. But it's not
> professional.
>

I realize that there is no point in imparting suggestions to you. You
have your own pre-determined misconceptions.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 20:25:09 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 20:25:55 von Animesh Kumar

Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(Animesh K)
>
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>
>>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
>>> pump their egos.
>> Heard of google analytics?
>
> Yes. It's in my filter.
>
> Micha

You can also put the counters (like sitemeter) in your filter. That was
not the point of my post.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 20:25:55 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 20:32:27 von axlq

In article ,
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>Google analytics is not a counter.

Wrong. Did you perhaps mis-type the above sentence? You should
know better.

It's a sophisticated and flexible counter that slices and dices
visits to your web site a number of ways. But in the end, all it's
doing is... counting.

-A

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 20:32:27 von axlq

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 22:59:10 von Steve

"Animesh K" wrote in message
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> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Animesh K wrote:
>>> Michael Fesser wrote:
>>>> .oO(Krustov)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> No counters look "professional". They are just a way for amateurs to
>>>>>> pump their egos.
>>>>> Is it you who decides for everybody else what is or isnt professional
>>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Hit counters are _never_ professional. They are of no interest for the
>>>> users (use rand() if you want to show an impressive number to them) and
>>>> the real informations are available in the server's logfile.
>>>>
>>>> Micha
>>>
>>> People do have page-view (counter) information on websites and it helps
>>> the viewer in understanding popularity of that particular page.
>>>
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=mOeuar5LmtU
>>>
>>> For example this has been viewd 280,XXX times, voted 510 times, and has
>>> a 4-* rating. All these are "counters" of different kind and provide a
>>> lot of information related to this particular video.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you mean that stuff like sitemeter is boring, but it isn't
>>> completely useless or unprofessional.
>>>
>>
>> And youtube is the latest in professional web design? ROFLMAO!
>>
>> It's fine for those who need their egos stroked. But it's not
>> professional.
>>
>
> I realize that there is no point in imparting suggestions to you. You have
> your own pre-determined misconceptions.

let me be the third *professional* to say, HIT COUNTERS ARE UNPROFESSIONAL.

this is neither 'pre-determined' nor a 'misconception'...period.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 22:59:10 von Steve

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 23:02:07 von Steve

"Animesh K" wrote in message
news:fnla2c$5fv$3@agate.berkeley.edu...
> Floor wrote:
>> Animesh K:
>>
>>> People do have page-view (counter) information on websites and it helps
>>> the viewer in understanding popularity of that particular page.
>>
>> What influence would have the popularity of a page on my search behavior?
>> I mostly seek pages that aren't that popular.
>> Just like entering a super market and knowing what product is bought
>> most. Not relevant whatsoever.
>>
>
>
> For you it may not be the best idea. However, a lot of people sort items
> by popularity. A page view count directly gives the impression of current
> page's popularity.
>
> May be you look for less known things; but imagine a yellow-page website
> and you searched for "camera." Would you like to visit a shop with lowest
> views/responses or would you rather be cautious and visit the more popular
> one?
>
> Again, this is just one example. I am sure you can construct your own.

all hits indicate are the 'path most travelled'. as more than half the
internet users can't tell their ass from a hat, i think taking the 'lowest
views/responses' would be a clear indication that i'm on the *right* path.

:)

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 23:02:07 von Steve

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 23:04:13 von Steve

"axlq" wrote in message
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> In article ,
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>
>>Google analytics is not a counter.
>
> Wrong. Did you perhaps mis-type the above sentence? You should
> know better.
>
> It's a sophisticated and flexible counter that slices and dices
> visits to your web site a number of ways. But in the end, all it's
> doing is... counting.

wrong!!! it's an *analysis package* where ONE of it's features is counting.
counting is NOT the mechanism that make all of it work...nor is counting
even a *primary* feature thereof.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 23:04:13 von Steve

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 23:37:26 von Jerry Stuckle

axlq wrote:
> In article ,
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Google analytics is not a counter.
>
> Wrong. Did you perhaps mis-type the above sentence? You should
> know better.
>
> It's a sophisticated and flexible counter that slices and dices
> visits to your web site a number of ways. But in the end, all it's
> doing is... counting.
>
> -A
>

Nope, Google Analytics is much more than a counter. You said so yourself.

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Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 28.01.2008 23:37:26 von Jerry Stuckle

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 02:32:56 von Animesh Kumar

Steve wrote:
> "axlq" wrote in message
> news:fnlakb$leh$1@blue.rahul.net...
>> In article ,
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> Google analytics is not a counter.
>> Wrong. Did you perhaps mis-type the above sentence? You should
>> know better.
>>
>> It's a sophisticated and flexible counter that slices and dices
>> visits to your web site a number of ways. But in the end, all it's
>> doing is... counting.
>
> wrong!!! it's an *analysis package* where ONE of it's features is counting.
> counting is NOT the mechanism that make all of it work...nor is counting
> even a *primary* feature thereof.
>
>

Analysis is only done after "counting" the data as an array made of
(ip-address, time of hit, country of hit, redirecting page
,page-which-got-hit, ...).

It would be better if you (both) sit and think what a (general) counter
would mean before telling us what google analytics is, or what it is not.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 02:32:56 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 02:38:23 von Animesh Kumar

Steve wrote:

> all hits indicate are the 'path most travelled'. as more than half the
> internet users can't tell their ass from a hat, i think taking the 'lowest
> views/responses' would be a clear indication that i'm on the *right* path.
>
> :)
>
>

By that logic, you must be visiting sites which are least popular. bye
bye Nytimes, google, microsoft.com, yahoo, amazon, youtube, digg,
facebook, etc.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 02:38:23 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 04:17:49 von Steve

"Animesh K" wrote in message
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> Steve wrote:
>
>> all hits indicate are the 'path most travelled'. as more than half the
>> internet users can't tell their ass from a hat, i think taking the
>> 'lowest views/responses' would be a clear indication that i'm on the
>> *right* path.
>>
>> :)
>
> By that logic, you must be visiting sites which are least popular. bye bye
> Nytimes, google, microsoft.com, yahoo, amazon, youtube, digg, facebook,
> etc.

uhm, the new york times is never worth reading, google, yahoo, and digg are
not end-point but entry points - matches are by relevance. microsoft is by
relevance, youtube is by download not by visit, and i've no idea what
facebook is...so, it must not be too important.

now of any of those, where does an ordinary counter mechanism fall into the
picture?

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 04:17:49 von Steve

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 04:20:29 von Steve

"Animesh K" wrote in message
news:fnlvkq$cj6$2@agate.berkeley.edu...
> Steve wrote:
>> "axlq" wrote in message
>> news:fnlakb$leh$1@blue.rahul.net...
>>> In article ,
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> Google analytics is not a counter.
>>> Wrong. Did you perhaps mis-type the above sentence? You should
>>> know better.
>>>
>>> It's a sophisticated and flexible counter that slices and dices
>>> visits to your web site a number of ways. But in the end, all it's
>>> doing is... counting.
>>
>> wrong!!! it's an *analysis package* where ONE of it's features is
>> counting. counting is NOT the mechanism that make all of it work...nor is
>> counting even a *primary* feature thereof.
>
> Analysis is only done after "counting" the data as an array made of
> (ip-address, time of hit, country of hit, redirecting page
> ,page-which-got-hit, ...).
>
> It would be better if you (both) sit and think what a (general) counter
> would mean before telling us what google analytics is, or what it is not.

good lord, you should learn what a counter is. tracking is NOT counting. a
visit and a page hit are two different things. counting fails if that's all
there is to your 'analysis' package. serve yourself a dose of your own
advice...then, you'll know what you're talking about.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 04:20:29 von Steve

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 09:30:53 von Michael Fesser

..oO(Animesh K)

>Steve wrote:
>>
>> wrong!!! it's an *analysis package* where ONE of it's features is counting.
>> counting is NOT the mechanism that make all of it work...nor is counting
>> even a *primary* feature thereof.
>
>Analysis is only done after "counting" the data as an array made of
>(ip-address, time of hit, country of hit, redirecting page
>,page-which-got-hit, ...).

That's a lot more than just counting. I wouldn't call the server's
logfile a "counter".

>It would be better if you (both) sit and think what a (general) counter
>would mean before telling us what google analytics is, or what it is not.

1, 2, 3, 4 ... this is counting. And that's what a hit counter does,
nothing more. But GA _does_ a lot more than just counting.

Micha

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 09:30:53 von Michael Fesser

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 18:40:30 von dae3

Animesh K wrote:

> A page view count directly gives the impression of
> current page's popularity.

How do you know that a "hit counter" is to be trusted? Any piece of
information that cannot be verified is essentially useless.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 18:40:30 von dae3

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 19:11:40 von dae3

frodobaggins@cornwall.privacy wrote:

>That works. But can anyone recommend a professional looking hit
>counter which outputs a graphic file, instead of simply text?

Funny idea of professionalism... A GIF counter usually means that the
page owner used a "hit counter site". These sites are more or less
forced to do it graphically, because it's technically much simpler for
their users to embed an external GIF than text.

Using a "hit counter site" is a sure sign that the page designer cannot
make his own counter, so if you're trying to look "professional" a GIF
counter is really the worst choice IMO.

At least if it's text, it looks like something *you* made (and it
usually integrates better with your site). But I too think hit counters
are generally best avoided.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 19:11:40 von dae3

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 20:06:54 von Steve

"dae3" wrote in message news:fnnoee$2fq$1@aioe.org...
> Animesh K wrote:
>
>> A page view count directly gives the impression of
>> current page's popularity.
>
> How do you know that a "hit counter" is to be trusted? Any piece of
> information that cannot be verified is essentially useless.

bingo! web-bots, spiders, and the like do not a visit make. :)

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 20:06:54 von Steve

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 20:43:56 von Animesh Kumar

Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(Animesh K)
>
>> Steve wrote:
>>> wrong!!! it's an *analysis package* where ONE of it's features is counting.
>>> counting is NOT the mechanism that make all of it work...nor is counting
>>> even a *primary* feature thereof.
>> Analysis is only done after "counting" the data as an array made of
>> (ip-address, time of hit, country of hit, redirecting page
>> ,page-which-got-hit, ...).
>
> That's a lot more than just counting. I wouldn't call the server's
> logfile a "counter".

It's your choice then. I will still treat the ip-address, time of hit,
number of hit as a "counter vector" which is more sophisticated than
just 1, 2, 3, ...

>
>> It would be better if you (both) sit and think what a (general) counter
>> would mean before telling us what google analytics is, or what it is not.
>
> 1, 2, 3, 4 ... this is counting. And that's what a hit counter does,
> nothing more. But GA _does_ a lot more than just counting.
>

hits per day, hits based on location, hits in the past 1 hour, trend of
hits, hits per month, hits to unavailable pages, .. all these are
(conditional) counters. Should I write a formula now?

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 20:43:56 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 20:48:41 von Animesh Kumar

Steve wrote:
> "Animesh K" wrote in message
> news:fnlvv0$cj6$4@agate.berkeley.edu...
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>>> all hits indicate are the 'path most travelled'. as more than half the
>>> internet users can't tell their ass from a hat, i think taking the
>>> 'lowest views/responses' would be a clear indication that i'm on the
>>> *right* path.
>>>
>>> :)
>> By that logic, you must be visiting sites which are least popular. bye bye
>> Nytimes, google, microsoft.com, yahoo, amazon, youtube, digg, facebook,
>> etc.
>
> uhm, the new york times is never worth reading, google, yahoo, and digg are
> not end-point but entry points - matches are by relevance. microsoft is by
> relevance, youtube is by download not by visit, and i've no idea what
> facebook is...so, it must not be too important.
>
> now of any of those, where does an ordinary counter mechanism fall into the
> picture?
>
>

You were telling that 'path least travelled' was the right path. I gave
a few examples of path most travelled, but you seem to visit them.
Microsoft becomes relevant to you, google becomes an entry point ---
just to prove that your wrong argument is right.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 20:48:41 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:03:58 von Steve

"Animesh K" wrote in message
news:fnnvtr$10l8$1@agate.berkeley.edu...
> Steve wrote:
>> "Animesh K" wrote in message
>> news:fnlvv0$cj6$4@agate.berkeley.edu...
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>
>>>> all hits indicate are the 'path most travelled'. as more than half the
>>>> internet users can't tell their ass from a hat, i think taking the
>>>> 'lowest views/responses' would be a clear indication that i'm on the
>>>> *right* path.
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>> By that logic, you must be visiting sites which are least popular. bye
>>> bye Nytimes, google, microsoft.com, yahoo, amazon, youtube, digg,
>>> facebook, etc.
>>
>> uhm, the new york times is never worth reading, google, yahoo, and digg
>> are not end-point but entry points - matches are by relevance. microsoft
>> is by relevance, youtube is by download not by visit, and i've no idea
>> what facebook is...so, it must not be too important.
>>
>> now of any of those, where does an ordinary counter mechanism fall into
>> the picture?
>
> You were telling that 'path least travelled' was the right path. I gave a
> few examples of path most travelled, but you seem to visit them.

i followed no path to them. i go to them first, then other places later via
them. that's why i called them *entry* points, numbnutz.

> Microsoft becomes relevant to you

christ almighty! 'relevancy' has to do with the *materials* ms has that is
most *appropriate* to what i'm searching for. not only is this personalize
and very specific to me and my keywords/phrases, the results can be *ranked*
as to whether or not the result(s) were *relevant* and to what extent. NONE
of that machinery has ANY counter mechanism to it...AT ALL.

> google becomes an entry point ---

google, for the vast majority of the billion or so internet users, is
*always* an entry point.

> just to prove that your wrong argument is right.

you aren't a native english speaker, are you. well, regardless of what that
sentence is supposed to say or mean, your other statements don't prove
anything...outside of you not knowing page counters or how *any* of the
sites you listed operate, which is *devoid* of counters.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:03:58 von Steve

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:09:53 von Steve

"Animesh K" wrote in message
news:fnnvit$10en$1@agate.berkeley.edu...
> Michael Fesser wrote:
>> .oO(Animesh K)
>>
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>> wrong!!! it's an *analysis package* where ONE of it's features is
>>>> counting. counting is NOT the mechanism that make all of it work...nor
>>>> is counting even a *primary* feature thereof.
>>> Analysis is only done after "counting" the data as an array made of
>>> (ip-address, time of hit, country of hit, redirecting page
>>> ,page-which-got-hit, ...).
>>
>> That's a lot more than just counting. I wouldn't call the server's
>> logfile a "counter".
>
> It's your choice then. I will still treat the ip-address, time of hit,
> number of hit as a "counter vector" which is more sophisticated than just
> 1, 2, 3, ...

good for you. either you are now backpeddling, or, you take the greatest of
liberties redefining common vernacular all the while expecting us to know
that you've done so. i'm glad you feel so comfortable in doing something so
stupid. i tend to think, though, you're backpeddling...since you feel the
need to *slightly* alter what you've been ranting about. counter
'vector'...ROFLMAO.

>>> It would be better if you (both) sit and think what a (general) counter
>>> would mean before telling us what google analytics is, or what it is
>>> not.
>>
>> 1, 2, 3, 4 ... this is counting. And that's what a hit counter does,
>> nothing more. But GA _does_ a lot more than just counting.
>>
>
> hits per day, hits based on location, hits in the past 1 hour, trend of
> hits, hits per month, hits to unavailable pages, .. all these are
> (conditional) counters. Should I write a formula now?

yes, please do. you'll soon learn in the process that counting will not 'add
up' to what is afforded in web page analysis packages. counting is NOT the
primary means of producing any of the analysed information.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:09:53 von Steve

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:23:40 von Animesh Kumar

Steve wrote:

>
> yes, please do. you'll soon learn in the process that counting will not 'add
> up' to what is afforded in web page analysis packages. counting is NOT the
> primary means of producing any of the analysed information.
>
>

Read about indicator functions, if you haven't so far. That should lead
you to the formula. Unfortunately, I cannot write math formula here.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:23:40 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:27:13 von Animesh Kumar

Steve wrote:
> "Animesh K" wrote in message
>
> christ almighty! 'relevancy' has to do with the *materials* ms has that is
> most *appropriate* to what i'm searching for. not only is this personalize
> and very specific to me and my keywords/phrases, the results can be *ranked*
> as to whether or not the result(s) were *relevant* and to what extent. NONE
> of that machinery has ANY counter mechanism to it...AT ALL.
>

Well someone asked why are counters useful?

I told they can tell you commonly sought articles/videos/ or commonly
tread paths.

You told you want to take the unpopular path in an effort to argue that
it will be the right path.

WTH has counter to do with the above statement of yours? You wanted to
take unpopular paths, which excludes the most popular websites -- which
you do use. Writing an essay or two will not make your past argument
correct.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:27:13 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:34:37 von Steve

"Animesh K" wrote in message
news:fno272$11ee$1@agate.berkeley.edu...
> Steve wrote:
>> "Animesh K" wrote in message
>> christ almighty! 'relevancy' has to do with the *materials* ms has that
>> is most *appropriate* to what i'm searching for. not only is this
>> personalize and very specific to me and my keywords/phrases, the results
>> can be *ranked* as to whether or not the result(s) were *relevant* and to
>> what extent. NONE of that machinery has ANY counter mechanism to it...AT
>> ALL.
>>
>
> Well someone asked why are counters useful?
>
> I told they can tell you commonly sought articles/videos/ or commonly
> tread paths.
>
> You told you want to take the unpopular path in an effort to argue that it
> will be the right path.
>
> WTH has counter to do with the above statement of yours? You wanted to
> take unpopular paths, which excludes the most popular websites -- which
> you do use. Writing an essay or two will not make your past argument
> correct.

yet if you read *any* of the 'essay' (or understood english), you'd not
restate your stupidity.

counters *don't* help you find meaningful content (daft meter registered)
counters *don't* indicate popularity (daft meter elevated)
popularity *doesn't* help you find meaningful content (daft meter elevated)
NONE of your examples use counters. (daft meter too high to register)

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:34:37 von Steve

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:35:27 von Steve

"Animesh K" wrote in message
news:fno20d$11cv$1@agate.berkeley.edu...
> Steve wrote:
>
>>
>> yes, please do. you'll soon learn in the process that counting will not
>> 'add up' to what is afforded in web page analysis packages. counting is
>> NOT the primary means of producing any of the analysed information.
>
> Read about indicator functions, if you haven't so far. That should lead
> you to the formula. Unfortunately, I cannot write math formula here.

i doubt you can write much of anything...anywhere.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:35:27 von Steve

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:40:50 von Michael Fesser

..oO(Animesh K)

>Michael Fesser wrote:
>
>> That's a lot more than just counting. I wouldn't call the server's
>> logfile a "counter".
>
>It's your choice then. I will still treat the ip-address, time of hit,
>number of hit as a "counter vector" which is more sophisticated than
>just 1, 2, 3, ...

A logfile "counts" hits, that's it. The interpretation of the data is
left to the logfile analyzer.

>>> It would be better if you (both) sit and think what a (general) counter
>>> would mean before telling us what google analytics is, or what it is not.
>>
>> 1, 2, 3, 4 ... this is counting. And that's what a hit counter does,
>> nothing more. But GA _does_ a lot more than just counting.
>
>hits per day, hits based on location, hits in the past 1 hour, trend of
>hits, hits per month, hits to unavailable pages, .. all these are
>(conditional) counters. Should I write a formula now?

Most of these informations are not stored in logfiles, but extrapolated
from them, using different algorithms. Different analyzers will lead to
different results.

Micha

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:40:50 von Michael Fesser

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:54:43 von Animesh Kumar

Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(Animesh K)
>
>> Michael Fesser wrote:
>>
>>> That's a lot more than just counting. I wouldn't call the server's
>>> logfile a "counter".
>> It's your choice then. I will still treat the ip-address, time of hit,
>> number of hit as a "counter vector" which is more sophisticated than
>> just 1, 2, 3, ...
>
> A logfile "counts" hits, that's it. The interpretation of the data is
> left to the logfile analyzer.
>
>>>> It would be better if you (both) sit and think what a (general) counter
>>>> would mean before telling us what google analytics is, or what it is not.
>>> 1, 2, 3, 4 ... this is counting. And that's what a hit counter does,
>>> nothing more. But GA _does_ a lot more than just counting.
>> hits per day, hits based on location, hits in the past 1 hour, trend of
>> hits, hits per month, hits to unavailable pages, .. all these are
>> (conditional) counters. Should I write a formula now?
>
> Most of these informations are not stored in logfiles, but extrapolated
> from them, using different algorithms. Different analyzers will lead to
> different results.

Agreed. But you can also think of many popular analyzers as a
conditional counter. I wonder if you have heard of the indicator functions.

To me a counter is just a summation of individual terms. The individual
terms *can be* a function of the raw data. The raw data need not be
displayed as it is.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 29.01.2008 21:54:43 von Animesh Kumar

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 30.01.2008 12:31:22 von yodel_dodel

Steve wrote:

> counters *don't* help you find meaningful content

agreed.

> counters *don't* indicate popularity

ok.

> popularity *doesn't* help you find meaningful content

sure.

You omitted an application that I think is useful: Counters may help to
keep track of the *relative* popularity of items within a defined set.

I have an application that features a growing set of images, currently
about 1,000. There are moderately small versions of these images as well
as blow-ups. I count accesses to the blow-ups and weigh them inversely
by their age.

As I add new images, and as my server space is limited, I need to remove
blow-ups from the bottom of the "charts". What's wrong with that?

--
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Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 30.01.2008 12:31:22 von yodel_dodel

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 30.01.2008 18:31:52 von Steve

"Greg N." wrote in message
news:fnpn6b$ufv$1@online.de...
> Steve wrote:
>
>> counters *don't* help you find meaningful content
>
> agreed.
>
>> counters *don't* indicate popularity
>
> ok.
>
>> popularity *doesn't* help you find meaningful content
>
> sure.
>
> You omitted an application that I think is useful: Counters may help to
> keep track of the *relative* popularity of items within a defined set.

if by 'popularity' you mean 'frequency', ok.

> I have an application that features a growing set of images, currently
> about 1,000. There are moderately small versions of these images as well
> as blow-ups. I count accesses to the blow-ups and weigh them inversely by
> their age.
>
> As I add new images, and as my server space is limited, I need to remove
> blow-ups from the bottom of the "charts". What's wrong with that?

nothing is wrong with that. that's not what's being argued.

Re: webpage hit counter in PHP

am 30.01.2008 18:31:52 von Steve