Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 18.01.2008 22:00:39 von listwatch-php-general

Posting Summary for PHP-General List
Week Ending: Friday, 18 January, 2008

Messages | Bytes | Sender
----------------+-----------------+------------------
514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch"
46 (8.9%) 78933 (8.1%) Jochem Maas
29 (5.6%) 48003 (4.9%) "Eric Butera"
28 (5.4%) 40764 (4.2%) "Nathan Nobbe"
26 (5.1%) 41149 (4.2%) "Daniel Brown"
24 (4.7%) 15837 (1.6%) Per Jessen
19 (3.7%) 40495 (4.2%) Manuel Lemos
17 (3.3%) 21478 (2.2%) Jim Lucas
16 (3.1%) 38021 (3.9%) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Robinet?=
14 (2.7%) 10125 (1%) Richard Heyes
11 (2.1%) 14946 (1.5%) mike
9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
9 (1.8%) 11964 (1.2%) Europus
7 (1.4%) 9494 (1%) "Ken Kixmoeller -- reply to ken@kixmoeller.com"
7 (1.4%) 5637 (0.6%) Chris
6 (1.2%) 4881 (0.5%) Naz Gassiep
5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard"
5 (1%) 8705 (0.9%) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Zolt=E1n_N=E9meth?=
5 (1%) 4932 (0.5%) Sancar Saran
5 (1%) 6174 (0.6%) Colin Guthrie
5 (1%) 7854 (0.8%) Wang Chen
5 (1%) 5875 (0.6%) "Javier Huerta"
4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve
4 (0.8%) 2214 (0.2%) "Lucas Prado Melo"
4 (0.8%) 11675 (1.2%) "David Giragosian"
4 (0.8%) 25354 (2.6%) Apple7777
4 (0.8%) 3892 (0.4%) clive
4 (0.8%) 5407 (0.6%) Larry Garfield
4 (0.8%) 3479 (0.4%) "Carole E. Mah"
4 (0.8%) 3104 (0.3%) Adam Williams
3 (0.6%) 2552 (0.3%) tedd
3 (0.6%) 5341 (0.5%) Scott Wilcox
3 (0.6%) 3021 (0.3%) Max Antonov
3 (0.6%) 4873 (0.5%) Casey
3 (0.6%) 2819 (0.3%) "Tom Chubb"
3 (0.6%) 3728 (0.4%) "mathieu leddet"
3 (0.6%) 5052 (0.5%) "Sean-Michael"
3 (0.6%) 3182 (0.3%) "A.smith"
3 (0.6%) 3111 (0.3%) "Dotan Cohen"
3 (0.6%) 4201 (0.4%) Richard
3 (0.6%) 3449 (0.4%) "T.Lensselink"
3 (0.6%) 4133 (0.4%) julian
2 (0.4%) 2182 (0.2%) Paul Scott
2 (0.4%) 2793 (0.3%) "Janet N"
2 (0.4%) 11021 (1.1%) Jason Pruim
2 (0.4%) 1818 (0.2%) Pierre Pintaric
2 (0.4%) 2855 (0.3%) "Churchill, Craig"
2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life Style
2 (0.4%) 2542 (0.3%) Bastien Koert
2 (0.4%) 1002 (0.1%) Silvio Porcellana
2 (0.4%) 2947 (0.3%) Danny Brow
2 (0.4%) 4571 (0.5%) Steve Edberg
2 (0.4%) 3259 (0.3%) Chuck
2 (0.4%) 4262 (0.4%) "Greg Donald"
2 (0.4%) 3218 (0.3%) "GoWtHaM NaRiSiPaLli"
2 (0.4%) 7045 (0.7%) =?UTF-8?Q?Andrés_Robinet?=
2 (0.4%) 1985 (0.2%) Dave M G
2 (0.4%) 5217 (0.5%) "Dan"
2 (0.4%) 2737 (0.3%) Julian
2 (0.4%) 3683 (0.4%) Al
2 (0.4%) 4745 (0.5%) =?iso-8859-1?q?B=F8rge_Holen?=
2 (0.4%) 1242 (0.1%) Anup Shukla
2 (0.4%) 2822 (0.3%) Stut
2 (0.4%) 1684 (0.2%) Brady Mitchell
2 (0.4%) 1510 (0.2%) tbt
1 (0.2%) 731 (0.1%) =?iso-8859-2?Q?Luká¹_Moravec?=
1 (0.2%) 641 (0.1%) Stephen
1 (0.2%) 233 (0%) "Mike Smith"
1 (0.2%) 1238 (0.1%) David Wonderly
1 (0.2%) 1151 (0.1%) Michael Gross
1 (0.2%) 1772 (0.2%) "Nikolay Ananiev"
1 (0.2%) 925 (0.1%) "Joey"
1 (0.2%) 1057 (0.1%) "Ken Kixmoeller -- reply to ken@kixmoeller.com"
1 (0.2%) 333 (0%) Balasubramanyam Ananthamurthy
1 (0.2%) 6237 (0.6%) "Maximus Entertainment"
1 (0.2%) 600 (0.1%) Shelley Shyan
1 (0.2%) 1296 (0.1%) Anjan Upadhya
1 (0.2%) 3502 (0.4%) RavenWorks
1 (0.2%) 1328 (0.1%) Reese
1 (0.2%) 3767 (0.4%) "Ryan H. Madison"
1 (0.2%) 3221 (0.3%) "Balasubramanyam A"
1 (0.2%) 1527 (0.2%) Nathan Rixham
1 (0.2%) 2285 (0.2%) "Joker7"
1 (0.2%) 1490 (0.2%) Shawn McKenzie
1 (0.2%) 2010 (0.2%) Nisse =?utf-8?Q?Engström?=
1 (0.2%) 295 (0%) "Prabath Kumarasinghe"
1 (0.2%) 477 (0%) "Yui Hiroaki"
1 (0.2%) 1660 (0.2%) "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Olav_M=F8rkrid?="
1 (0.2%) 1765 (0.2%) "Ken Kixmoeller.com"
1 (0.2%) 1111 (0.1%) David Powers
1 (0.2%) 2417 (0.2%) Terry Calie
1 (0.2%) 1648 (0.2%) "amosse@libero.it"
1 (0.2%) 1370 (0.1%) "Nate Tallman"
1 (0.2%) 1408 (0.1%) kingzones@gmail.com
1 (0.2%) 2923 (0.3%) "Christoph Boget"
1 (0.2%) 1090 (0.1%) "Stijn Leenknegt"
1 (0.2%) 1519 (0.2%) Rob Gould
1 (0.2%) 708 (0.1%) Javed Khan

Offset on Total/MOE: ~1.2%

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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 18.01.2008 22:52:02 von List Manager

PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote:
> 514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
> 69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch"
> 9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
> 5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard"
> 4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve
> 2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life Style

I need more str_pad() :)

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Jim Lucas

"Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness,
and some have greatness thrust upon them."

Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V
by William Shakespeare

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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 18.01.2008 22:56:22 von parasane

On Jan 18, 2008 4:52 PM, Jim Lucas wrote:
> PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote:
> > 514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
> > 69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch"
> > 9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
> > 5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard"
> > 4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve
> > 2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life Style
>
> I need more str_pad() :)

It's easier to give more cowbell. ;-P

I actually thought the first comment on this would be how Richard
came out this afternoon at about 3:30p and started replying to every
thread. The guy has fingers that are faster than most people blink, I
swear it! His keyboard must smoke, sizzle, and pop at the end of the
day.

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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 18.01.2008 23:01:21 von Nathan Nobbe

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On Jan 18, 2008 4:56 PM, Daniel Brown wrote:

> On Jan 18, 2008 4:52 PM, Jim Lucas wrote:
> > PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote:
> > > 514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
> > > 69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch" <
> ceo@l-i-e.com>
> > > 9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
> > > 5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard" <
> aballard@gmail.com>
> > > 4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve <
> smarquez@ccfortsmith.com>
> > > 2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life Style<
> ebdgef@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I need more str_pad() :)
>
> It's easier to give more cowbell. ;-P
>
> I actually thought the first comment on this would be how Richard
> came out this afternoon at about 3:30p and started replying to every
> thread. The guy has fingers that are faster than most people blink, I
> swear it! His keyboard must smoke, sizzle, and pop at the end of the
> day.


well, i dont know what the rest of you guys get to do all day,
but i still have to work ;)

-nathan

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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 18.01.2008 23:03:23 von Richard Lynch

Let printf handle it for you. :-)

On Fri, January 18, 2008 3:52 pm, Jim Lucas wrote:
> PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote:
>> 514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
>> 69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch"
>>
>> 9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
>> 5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard"
>>
>> 4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve
>>
>> 2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life
>> Style
>
> I need more str_pad() :)
>
> --
> Jim Lucas
>
> "Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness,
> and some have greatness thrust upon them."
>
> Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V
> by William Shakespeare
>
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>


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Know what I want?
I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch
Yeah, I get a buck. So?

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RE: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 18.01.2008 23:37:41 von Jay Blanchard

Wow, I wasn't on the list. And I top posted. I really suck.

-----Original Message-----
From: pilotpig@dolphin.pilotpig.net
[mailto:pilotpig@dolphin.pilotpig.net] On Behalf Of PostTrack [Dan
Brown]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:01 PM
To: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: [PHP] Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:
php-general@lists.php.net


Posting Summary for PHP-General List
Week Ending: Friday, 18 January, 2008

Messages | Bytes | Sender
----------------+-----------------+------------------
514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch"

46 (8.9%) 78933 (8.1%) Jochem Maas

29 (5.6%) 48003 (4.9%) "Eric Butera"

28 (5.4%) 40764 (4.2%) "Nathan Nobbe"

26 (5.1%) 41149 (4.2%) "Daniel Brown"

24 (4.7%) 15837 (1.6%) Per Jessen

19 (3.7%) 40495 (4.2%) Manuel Lemos

17 (3.3%) 21478 (2.2%) Jim Lucas

16 (3.1%) 38021 (3.9%)
=3D?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=3DE9s_Robinet?=3D
14 (2.7%) 10125 (1%) Richard Heyes

11 (2.1%) 14946 (1.5%) mike
9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
9 (1.8%) 11964 (1.2%) Europus

7 (1.4%) 9494 (1%) "Ken Kixmoeller -- reply to
ken@kixmoeller.com"
7 (1.4%) 5637 (0.6%) Chris
6 (1.2%) 4881 (0.5%) Naz Gassiep
5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard"

5 (1%) 8705 (0.9%)
=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Zolt=3DE1n_N=3DE9meth?=3D
5 (1%) 4932 (0.5%) Sancar Saran

5 (1%) 6174 (0.6%) Colin Guthrie

5 (1%) 7854 (0.8%) Wang Chen

5 (1%) 5875 (0.6%) "Javier Huerta"

4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve

4 (0.8%) 2214 (0.2%) "Lucas Prado Melo"

4 (0.8%) 11675 (1.2%) "David Giragosian"

4 (0.8%) 25354 (2.6%) Apple7777

4 (0.8%) 3892 (0.4%) clive

4 (0.8%) 5407 (0.6%) Larry Garfield

4 (0.8%) 3479 (0.4%) "Carole E. Mah"

4 (0.8%) 3104 (0.3%) Adam Williams

3 (0.6%) 2552 (0.3%) tedd

3 (0.6%) 5341 (0.5%) Scott Wilcox

3 (0.6%) 3021 (0.3%) Max Antonov

3 (0.6%) 4873 (0.5%) Casey

3 (0.6%) 2819 (0.3%) "Tom Chubb"

3 (0.6%) 3728 (0.4%) "mathieu leddet"

3 (0.6%) 5052 (0.5%) "Sean-Michael"

3 (0.6%) 3182 (0.3%) "A.smith"

3 (0.6%) 3111 (0.3%) "Dotan Cohen"

3 (0.6%) 4201 (0.4%) Richard

3 (0.6%) 3449 (0.4%) "T.Lensselink"

3 (0.6%) 4133 (0.4%) julian

2 (0.4%) 2182 (0.2%) Paul Scott

2 (0.4%) 2793 (0.3%) "Janet N"

2 (0.4%) 11021 (1.1%) Jason Pruim

2 (0.4%) 1818 (0.2%) Pierre Pintaric

2 (0.4%) 2855 (0.3%) "Churchill, Craig"

2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life
Style
2 (0.4%) 2542 (0.3%) Bastien Koert

2 (0.4%) 1002 (0.1%) Silvio Porcellana

2 (0.4%) 2947 (0.3%) Danny Brow

2 (0.4%) 4571 (0.5%) Steve Edberg

2 (0.4%) 3259 (0.3%) Chuck

2 (0.4%) 4262 (0.4%) "Greg Donald"

2 (0.4%) 3218 (0.3%) "GoWtHaM NaRiSiPaLli"

2 (0.4%) 7045 (0.7%)
=3D?UTF-8?Q?Andr=3DC3=3DA9s_Robinet?=3D
2 (0.4%) 1985 (0.2%) Dave M G

2 (0.4%) 5217 (0.5%) "Dan"

2 (0.4%) 2737 (0.3%) Julian
2 (0.4%) 3683 (0.4%) Al
2 (0.4%) 4745 (0.5%)
=3D?iso-8859-1?q?B=3DF8rge_Holen?=3D
2 (0.4%) 1242 (0.1%) Anup Shukla

2 (0.4%) 2822 (0.3%) Stut
2 (0.4%) 1684 (0.2%) Brady Mitchell

2 (0.4%) 1510 (0.2%) tbt
1 (0.2%) 731 (0.1%)
=3D?iso-8859-2?Q?Luk=3DE1=3DB9_Moravec?=3D
1 (0.2%) 641 (0.1%) Stephen

1 (0.2%) 233 (0%) "Mike Smith"

1 (0.2%) 1238 (0.1%) David Wonderly

1 (0.2%) 1151 (0.1%) Michael Gross

1 (0.2%) 1772 (0.2%) "Nikolay Ananiev"

1 (0.2%) 925 (0.1%) "Joey"
1 (0.2%) 1057 (0.1%) "Ken Kixmoeller -- reply to
ken@kixmoeller.com"
1 (0.2%) 333 (0%) Balasubramanyam Ananthamurthy

1 (0.2%) 6237 (0.6%) "Maximus Entertainment"

1 (0.2%) 600 (0.1%) Shelley Shyan

1 (0.2%) 1296 (0.1%) Anjan Upadhya

1 (0.2%) 3502 (0.4%) RavenWorks

1 (0.2%) 1328 (0.1%) Reese

1 (0.2%) 3767 (0.4%) "Ryan H. Madison"

1 (0.2%) 3221 (0.3%) "Balasubramanyam A"

1 (0.2%) 1527 (0.2%) Nathan Rixham

1 (0.2%) 2285 (0.2%) "Joker7"

1 (0.2%) 1490 (0.2%) Shawn McKenzie

1 (0.2%) 2010 (0.2%) Nisse
=3D?utf-8?Q?Engstr=3DC3=3DB6m?=3D
1 (0.2%) 295 (0%) "Prabath Kumarasinghe"

1 (0.2%) 477 (0%) "Yui Hiroaki"

1 (0.2%) 1660 (0.2%)
"=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Olav_M=3DF8rkrid?=3D"
1 (0.2%) 1765 (0.2%) "Ken Kixmoeller.com"

1 (0.2%) 1111 (0.1%) David Powers

1 (0.2%) 2417 (0.2%) Terry Calie

1 (0.2%) 1648 (0.2%) "amosse@libero.it"

1 (0.2%) 1370 (0.1%) "Nate Tallman"

1 (0.2%) 1408 (0.1%) kingzones@gmail.com
1 (0.2%) 2923 (0.3%) "Christoph Boget"

1 (0.2%) 1090 (0.1%) "Stijn Leenknegt"

1 (0.2%) 1519 (0.2%) Rob Gould

1 (0.2%) 708 (0.1%) Javed Khan


Offset on Total/MOE: ~1.2%

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RE: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 00:03:00 von agrobinet

Hey, your script doesn't like me, is it that you need
quoted_printable_decode?

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Robinet?=

Rob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:jblanchard@pocket.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:38 PM
> To: PostTrack [Dan Brown]; php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: RE: [PHP] Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:
> php-general@lists.php.net
>
> Wow, I wasn't on the list. And I top posted. I really suck.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pilotpig@dolphin.pilotpig.net
> [mailto:pilotpig@dolphin.pilotpig.net] On Behalf Of PostTrack [Dan
> Brown]
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:01 PM
> To: php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: [PHP] Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:
> php-general@lists.php.net
>
>
> Posting Summary for PHP-General List
> Week Ending: Friday, 18 January, 2008
>
> Messages | Bytes | Sender
> ----------------+-----------------+------------------
> 514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
> 69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch"
>
> 46 (8.9%) 78933 (8.1%) Jochem Maas
>
> 29 (5.6%) 48003 (4.9%) "Eric Butera"
>
> 28 (5.4%) 40764 (4.2%) "Nathan Nobbe"
>
> 26 (5.1%) 41149 (4.2%) "Daniel Brown"
>
> 24 (4.7%) 15837 (1.6%) Per Jessen
>
> 19 (3.7%) 40495 (4.2%) Manuel Lemos
>
> 17 (3.3%) 21478 (2.2%) Jim Lucas
>
> 16 (3.1%) 38021 (3.9%)
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Robinet?=
> 14 (2.7%) 10125 (1%) Richard Heyes
>
> 11 (2.1%) 14946 (1.5%) mike
> 9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
> 9 (1.8%) 11964 (1.2%) Europus
>
> 7 (1.4%) 9494 (1%) "Ken Kixmoeller -- reply to
> ken@kixmoeller.com"
> 7 (1.4%) 5637 (0.6%) Chris
> 6 (1.2%) 4881 (0.5%) Naz Gassiep
> 5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard"
>
> 5 (1%) 8705 (0.9%)
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Zolt=E1n_N=E9meth?=
> 5 (1%) 4932 (0.5%) Sancar Saran
>
> 5 (1%) 6174 (0.6%) Colin Guthrie
>
> 5 (1%) 7854 (0.8%) Wang Chen
>
> 5 (1%) 5875 (0.6%) "Javier Huerta"
>
> 4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve
>
> 4 (0.8%) 2214 (0.2%) "Lucas Prado Melo"
>
> 4 (0.8%) 11675 (1.2%) "David Giragosian"
>
> 4 (0.8%) 25354 (2.6%) Apple7777
>
> 4 (0.8%) 3892 (0.4%) clive
>
> 4 (0.8%) 5407 (0.6%) Larry Garfield
>
> 4 (0.8%) 3479 (0.4%) "Carole E. Mah"
>
> 4 (0.8%) 3104 (0.3%) Adam Williams
>
> 3 (0.6%) 2552 (0.3%) tedd
>
> 3 (0.6%) 5341 (0.5%) Scott Wilcox
>
> 3 (0.6%) 3021 (0.3%) Max Antonov
>
> 3 (0.6%) 4873 (0.5%) Casey
>
> 3 (0.6%) 2819 (0.3%) "Tom Chubb"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 3728 (0.4%) "mathieu leddet"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 5052 (0.5%) "Sean-Michael"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 3182 (0.3%) "A.smith"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 3111 (0.3%) "Dotan Cohen"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 4201 (0.4%) Richard
>
> 3 (0.6%) 3449 (0.4%) "T.Lensselink"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 4133 (0.4%) julian
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2182 (0.2%) Paul Scott
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2793 (0.3%) "Janet N"
>
> 2 (0.4%) 11021 (1.1%) Jason Pruim
>
> 2 (0.4%) 1818 (0.2%) Pierre Pintaric
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2855 (0.3%) "Churchill, Craig"
>
> 2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life
> Style
> 2 (0.4%) 2542 (0.3%) Bastien Koert
>
> 2 (0.4%) 1002 (0.1%) Silvio Porcellana
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2947 (0.3%) Danny Brow
>
> 2 (0.4%) 4571 (0.5%) Steve Edberg
>
> 2 (0.4%) 3259 (0.3%) Chuck
>
> 2 (0.4%) 4262 (0.4%) "Greg Donald"
>
> 2 (0.4%) 3218 (0.3%) "GoWtHaM NaRiSiPaLli"
>
> 2 (0.4%) 7045 (0.7%)
> =?UTF-8?Q?Andrés_Robinet?=
> 2 (0.4%) 1985 (0.2%) Dave M G
>
> 2 (0.4%) 5217 (0.5%) "Dan"
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2737 (0.3%) Julian
> 2 (0.4%) 3683 (0.4%) Al
> 2 (0.4%) 4745 (0.5%)
> =?iso-8859-1?q?B=F8rge_Holen?=
> 2 (0.4%) 1242 (0.1%) Anup Shukla
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2822 (0.3%) Stut
> 2 (0.4%) 1684 (0.2%) Brady Mitchell
>
> 2 (0.4%) 1510 (0.2%) tbt
> 1 (0.2%) 731 (0.1%)
> =?iso-8859-2?Q?Luká¹_Moravec?=
> 1 (0.2%) 641 (0.1%) Stephen
>
> 1 (0.2%) 233 (0%) "Mike Smith"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1238 (0.1%) David Wonderly
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1151 (0.1%) Michael Gross
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1772 (0.2%) "Nikolay Ananiev"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 925 (0.1%) "Joey"
> 1 (0.2%) 1057 (0.1%) "Ken Kixmoeller -- reply to
> ken@kixmoeller.com"
> 1 (0.2%) 333 (0%) Balasubramanyam Ananthamurthy
>
> 1 (0.2%) 6237 (0.6%) "Maximus Entertainment"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 600 (0.1%) Shelley Shyan
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1296 (0.1%) Anjan Upadhya
>
> 1 (0.2%) 3502 (0.4%) RavenWorks
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1328 (0.1%) Reese
>
> 1 (0.2%) 3767 (0.4%) "Ryan H. Madison"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 3221 (0.3%) "Balasubramanyam A"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1527 (0.2%) Nathan Rixham
>
> 1 (0.2%) 2285 (0.2%) "Joker7"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1490 (0.2%) Shawn McKenzie
>
> 1 (0.2%) 2010 (0.2%) Nisse
> =?utf-8?Q?Engström?=
> 1 (0.2%) 295 (0%) "Prabath Kumarasinghe"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 477 (0%) "Yui Hiroaki"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1660 (0.2%)
> "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Olav_M=F8rkrid?="
> 1 (0.2%) 1765 (0.2%) "Ken Kixmoeller.com"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1111 (0.1%) David Powers
>
> 1 (0.2%) 2417 (0.2%) Terry Calie
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1648 (0.2%) "amosse@libero.it"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1370 (0.1%) "Nate Tallman"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1408 (0.1%) kingzones@gmail.com
> 1 (0.2%) 2923 (0.3%) "Christoph Boget"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1090 (0.1%) "Stijn Leenknegt"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1519 (0.2%) Rob Gould
>
> 1 (0.2%) 708 (0.1%) Javed Khan
>
>
> Offset on Total/MOE: ~1.2%
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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 01:40:30 von List Manager

Daniel Brown wrote:
> On Jan 18, 2008 4:52 PM, Jim Lucas wrote:
>> PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote:
>>> 514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
>>> 69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch"
>>> 9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
>>> 5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard"
>>> 4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve
>>> 2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life Style
>> I need more str_pad() :)
>
> It's easier to give more cowbell. ;-P
>
> I actually thought the first comment on this would be how Richard
> came out this afternoon at about 3:30p and started replying to every
> thread. The guy has fingers that are faster than most people blink, I
> swear it! His keyboard must smoke, sizzle, and pop at the end of the
> day.
>

Does anybody know of a site/tool that will allow me to search the entire
archive of the mailing list. I can't seem to find a search tool on the
php.net site.

Plus, what about a tool/site that would allow me to view a graph of the
entire of the list/archive? A graph including, but not limited to
post/person post/email address posts/day posts/country etc...

Thanks

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and some have greatness thrust upon them."

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by William Shakespeare

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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 03:21:57 von Nathan Nobbe

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On Jan 18, 2008 7:40 PM, Jim Lucas wrote:

> Plus, what about a tool/site that would allow me to view a graph of the
> entire of the list/archive? A graph including, but not limited to
> post/person post/email address posts/day posts/country etc...
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Jim Lucas
>

i dont know where youll find all those metrics; but if you google
php-general archives
you will find several sites that track the list. the first one, MARC,
looks pretty solid; it goes back to '98.

-nathan

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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 03:29:17 von Eric Butera

On Jan 18, 2008 4:52 PM, Jim Lucas wrote:
> PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote:
> > 514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
> > 69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch"
> > 9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
> > 5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard"
> > 4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve
> > 2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life Style
>
> I need more str_pad() :)
>
> --
> Jim Lucas
>
> "Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness,
> and some have greatness thrust upon them."
>
> Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V
> by William Shakespeare
>
>
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>

Check out this blog post:
http://www.tagarga.com/blok/on/070116

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RE: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:

am 19.01.2008 09:02:08 von znemeth

2008. 01. 18, péntek keltezéssel 20.03-kor Andrés Robinet ezt írta:
> Hey, your script doesn't like me, is it that you need
> quoted_printable_decode?
>
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Robinet?=

it does not like me either. ;)
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Zolt=E1n_N=E9meth?=

for a similar task I wrote a function using imap_mime_header_decode and
mb_decode_mimeheader.
I'm sure he can solve it so this time I don't look up and post that
function, but I can if requested.

greets
Zoltán Németh

>
> Rob
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:jblanchard@pocket.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:38 PM
> > To: PostTrack [Dan Brown]; php-general@lists.php.net
> > Subject: RE: [PHP] Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:
> > php-general@lists.php.net
> >
> > Wow, I wasn't on the list. And I top posted. I really suck.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pilotpig@dolphin.pilotpig.net
> > [mailto:pilotpig@dolphin.pilotpig.net] On Behalf Of PostTrack [Dan
> > Brown]
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:01 PM
> > To: php-general@lists.php.net
> > Subject: [PHP] Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:
> > php-general@lists.php.net
> >
> >
> > Posting Summary for PHP-General List
> > Week Ending: Friday, 18 January, 2008
> >
> > Messages | Bytes | Sender
> > ----------------+-----------------+------------------
> > 514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
> > 69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch"
> >
> > 46 (8.9%) 78933 (8.1%) Jochem Maas
> >
> > 29 (5.6%) 48003 (4.9%) "Eric Butera"
> >
> > 28 (5.4%) 40764 (4.2%) "Nathan Nobbe"
> >
> > 26 (5.1%) 41149 (4.2%) "Daniel Brown"
> >
> > 24 (4.7%) 15837 (1.6%) Per Jessen
> >
> > 19 (3.7%) 40495 (4.2%) Manuel Lemos
> >
> > 17 (3.3%) 21478 (2.2%) Jim Lucas
> >
> > 16 (3.1%) 38021 (3.9%)
> > =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Robinet?=
> > 14 (2.7%) 10125 (1%) Richard Heyes
> >
> > 11 (2.1%) 14946 (1.5%) mike
> > 9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
> > 9 (1.8%) 11964 (1.2%) Europus
> >
> > 7 (1.4%) 9494 (1%) "Ken Kixmoeller -- reply to
> > ken@kixmoeller.com"
> > 7 (1.4%) 5637 (0.6%) Chris
> > 6 (1.2%) 4881 (0.5%) Naz Gassiep
> > 5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard"
> >
> > 5 (1%) 8705 (0.9%)
> > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Zolt=E1n_N=E9meth?=
> > 5 (1%) 4932 (0.5%) Sancar Saran
> >
> > 5 (1%) 6174 (0.6%) Colin Guthrie
> >
> > 5 (1%) 7854 (0.8%) Wang Chen
> >
> > 5 (1%) 5875 (0.6%) "Javier Huerta"
> >
> > 4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve
> >
> > 4 (0.8%) 2214 (0.2%) "Lucas Prado Melo"
> >
> > 4 (0.8%) 11675 (1.2%) "David Giragosian"
> >
> > 4 (0.8%) 25354 (2.6%) Apple7777
> >
> > 4 (0.8%) 3892 (0.4%) clive
> >
> > 4 (0.8%) 5407 (0.6%) Larry Garfield
> >
> > 4 (0.8%) 3479 (0.4%) "Carole E. Mah"
> >
> > 4 (0.8%) 3104 (0.3%) Adam Williams
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 2552 (0.3%) tedd
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 5341 (0.5%) Scott Wilcox
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 3021 (0.3%) Max Antonov
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 4873 (0.5%) Casey
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 2819 (0.3%) "Tom Chubb"
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 3728 (0.4%) "mathieu leddet"
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 5052 (0.5%) "Sean-Michael"
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 3182 (0.3%) "A.smith"
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 3111 (0.3%) "Dotan Cohen"
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 4201 (0.4%) Richard
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 3449 (0.4%) "T.Lensselink"
> >
> > 3 (0.6%) 4133 (0.4%) julian
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 2182 (0.2%) Paul Scott
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 2793 (0.3%) "Janet N"
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 11021 (1.1%) Jason Pruim
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 1818 (0.2%) Pierre Pintaric
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 2855 (0.3%) "Churchill, Craig"
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life
> > Style
> > 2 (0.4%) 2542 (0.3%) Bastien Koert
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 1002 (0.1%) Silvio Porcellana
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 2947 (0.3%) Danny Brow
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 4571 (0.5%) Steve Edberg
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 3259 (0.3%) Chuck
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 4262 (0.4%) "Greg Donald"
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 3218 (0.3%) "GoWtHaM NaRiSiPaLli"
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 7045 (0.7%)
> > =?UTF-8?Q?Andrés_Robinet?=
> > 2 (0.4%) 1985 (0.2%) Dave M G
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 5217 (0.5%) "Dan"
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 2737 (0.3%) Julian
> > 2 (0.4%) 3683 (0.4%) Al
> > 2 (0.4%) 4745 (0.5%)
> > =?iso-8859-1?q?B=F8rge_Holen?=
> > 2 (0.4%) 1242 (0.1%) Anup Shukla
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 2822 (0.3%) Stut
> > 2 (0.4%) 1684 (0.2%) Brady Mitchell
> >
> > 2 (0.4%) 1510 (0.2%) tbt
> > 1 (0.2%) 731 (0.1%)
> > =?iso-8859-2?Q?Luká¹_Moravec?=
> > 1 (0.2%) 641 (0.1%) Stephen
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 233 (0%) "Mike Smith"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1238 (0.1%) David Wonderly
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1151 (0.1%) Michael Gross
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1772 (0.2%) "Nikolay Ananiev"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 925 (0.1%) "Joey"
> > 1 (0.2%) 1057 (0.1%) "Ken Kixmoeller -- reply to
> > ken@kixmoeller.com"
> > 1 (0.2%) 333 (0%) Balasubramanyam Ananthamurthy
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 6237 (0.6%) "Maximus Entertainment"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 600 (0.1%) Shelley Shyan
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1296 (0.1%) Anjan Upadhya
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 3502 (0.4%) RavenWorks
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1328 (0.1%) Reese
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 3767 (0.4%) "Ryan H. Madison"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 3221 (0.3%) "Balasubramanyam A"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1527 (0.2%) Nathan Rixham
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 2285 (0.2%) "Joker7"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1490 (0.2%) Shawn McKenzie
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 2010 (0.2%) Nisse
> > =?utf-8?Q?Engström?=
> > 1 (0.2%) 295 (0%) "Prabath Kumarasinghe"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 477 (0%) "Yui Hiroaki"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1660 (0.2%)
> > "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Olav_M=F8rkrid?="
> > 1 (0.2%) 1765 (0.2%) "Ken Kixmoeller.com"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1111 (0.1%) David Powers
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 2417 (0.2%) Terry Calie
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1648 (0.2%) "amosse@libero.it"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1370 (0.1%) "Nate Tallman"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1408 (0.1%) kingzones@gmail.com
> > 1 (0.2%) 2923 (0.3%) "Christoph Boget"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1090 (0.1%) "Stijn Leenknegt"
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 1519 (0.2%) Rob Gould
> >
> > 1 (0.2%) 708 (0.1%) Javed Khan
> >
> >
> > Offset on Total/MOE: ~1.2%
> >
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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:

am 19.01.2008 09:05:08 von znemeth

2008. 01. 18, péntek keltezéssel 16.40-kor Jim Lucas ezt írta:
> Daniel Brown wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 2008 4:52 PM, Jim Lucas wrote:
> >> PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote:
> >>> 514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
> >>> 69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch"
> >>> 9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
> >>> 5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard"
> >>> 4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve
> >>> 2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life Style
> >> I need more str_pad() :)
> >
> > It's easier to give more cowbell. ;-P
> >
> > I actually thought the first comment on this would be how Richard
> > came out this afternoon at about 3:30p and started replying to every
> > thread. The guy has fingers that are faster than most people blink, I
> > swear it! His keyboard must smoke, sizzle, and pop at the end of the
> > day.
> >
>
> Does anybody know of a site/tool that will allow me to search the entire
> archive of the mailing list. I can't seem to find a search tool on the
> php.net site.

for this I use
http://marc.info/?l=php-general


>
> Plus, what about a tool/site that would allow me to view a graph of the
> entire of the list/archive? A graph including, but not limited to
> post/person post/email address posts/day posts/country etc...

I have no idea about this one...

greets
Zoltán Németh

>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Jim Lucas
>
> "Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness,
> and some have greatness thrust upon them."
>
> Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V
> by William Shakespeare
>

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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 11:25:53 von Per Jessen

Eric Butera wrote:

>=20
> Check out this blog post:
> http://www.tagarga.com/blok/on/070116

I can't believe someone actually bothered writing this up.


/Per Jessen, Zürich

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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 11:37:50 von Jochem Maas

Per Jessen schreef:
> Eric Butera wrote:
>
>> Check out this blog post:
>> http://www.tagarga.com/blok/on/070116
>
> I can't believe someone actually bothered writing this up.
>

why? not everyone is as experienced as you - some people might genuinely
find this useful.

no?

>
> /Per Jessen, Zürich
>

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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 11:45:42 von Per Jessen

Jochem Maas wrote:

> Per Jessen schreef:
>> Eric Butera wrote:
>>=20
>>> Check out this blog post:
>>> http://www.tagarga.com/blok/on/070116
>>=20
>> I can't believe someone actually bothered writing this up.
>>=20
>=20
> why? not everyone is as experienced as you - some people might
> genuinely find this useful.
>=20
> no?

Well, yeah, I guess so - it just seems so basic and something that most=

people would know to solve with printf().=20
It's the sort of problem, where I can't help thinking "if you can't wor=
k
this out on your own, should you really be programming?"
Apologies if that sounds arrogant to you.=20


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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 14:39:19 von David Powers

PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote:
> Posting Summary for PHP-General List

Thanks a bundle, Dan, for publicizing everyone's email address. All the
addresses are in plain text, even on the news server web interface ready
for spambots to harvest.

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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 15:44:11 von Richard Heyes

>>>> Check out this blog post:
>>>> http://www.tagarga.com/blok/on/070116
>>> I can't believe someone actually bothered writing this up.
>>>
>> why? not everyone is as experienced as you - some people might
>> genuinely find this useful.
>>
>> no?
>
> Well, yeah, I guess so - it just seems so basic and something that most
> people would know to solve with printf().
> It's the sort of problem, where I can't help thinking "if you can't work
> this out on your own, should you really be programming?"
> Apologies if that sounds arrogant to you.

Admittedly coming to the thread rather late, but this chap obviously
hasn't come across the Console_Table class in PEAR.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 17:10:13 von Jochem Maas

David Powers schreef:
> PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote:
>> Posting Summary for PHP-General List
>
> Thanks a bundle, Dan, for publicizing everyone's email address. All the
> addresses are in plain text, even on the news server web interface ready
> for spambots to harvest.

that horse had bolted long before dan ever wrote & ran his script. I really
can't see how dan has made things any worse .. all the posters to this list
(and countless other lists) have been 'exposed' hundreds of times over already.

>
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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 17:12:15 von parasane

On Jan 19, 2008 8:39 AM, David Powers wrote:
> PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote:
> > Posting Summary for PHP-General List
>
> Thanks a bundle, Dan, for publicizing everyone's email address. All the
> addresses are in plain text, even on the news server web interface ready
> for spambots to harvest.

My pleasure, David.... but before you start sounding *completely*
victimized and pointing the finger, you may want to think about the
fact that your email address is already plain text on some of the
archive sites --- including MARC. Just go to Google and type in your
address.... five results with plain text email address posting (and
much more when you visit each link).

However, if it's that big of a deal to you or anyone else, let me
know and I'll have the script omit your address from the report. I'm
still going to track the information, including each email address,
but I'll remove the addresses of those who may otherwise have nothing
to whine about. ;-P

Aside from that, Zoltan, if you happen to be able to find the
function to post without much problem, feel free, and I'll look into
incorporating it into the script. Otherwise, I can fix it myself. My
fault for not thinking about non-English characters and such.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 17:27:17 von Nathan Nobbe

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

i think the script is pretty cool, dan ;)

-nathan

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Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 17:27:49 von LoneWolf

Sending to the LIST this time... I personally replied, how dumb was *I*
this morning... And top posted... Twice...

Dang Jay, you feeling OK? You've been quiet the last week... Or did
Richard just tie you up so you couldn't post and he could get top honors
this week? :)

Jay Blanchard wrote:
> Wow, I wasn't on the list. And I top posted. I really suck.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pilotpig@dolphin.pilotpig.net
> [mailto:pilotpig@dolphin.pilotpig.net] On Behalf Of PostTrack [Dan
> Brown]
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:01 PM
> To: php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: [PHP] Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:
> php-general@lists.php.net
>
>
> Posting Summary for PHP-General List
> Week Ending: Friday, 18 January, 2008
>
> Messages | Bytes | Sender
> ----------------+-----------------+------------------
> 514 (100%) 975244 (100%) EVERYONE
> 69 (13.4%) 92431 (9.5%) "Richard Lynch"
>
> 46 (8.9%) 78933 (8.1%) Jochem Maas
>
> 29 (5.6%) 48003 (4.9%) "Eric Butera"
>
> 28 (5.4%) 40764 (4.2%) "Nathan Nobbe"
>
> 26 (5.1%) 41149 (4.2%) "Daniel Brown"
>
> 24 (4.7%) 15837 (1.6%) Per Jessen
>
> 19 (3.7%) 40495 (4.2%) Manuel Lemos
>
> 17 (3.3%) 21478 (2.2%) Jim Lucas
>
> 16 (3.1%) 38021 (3.9%)
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Robinet?=
> 14 (2.7%) 10125 (1%) Richard Heyes
>
> 11 (2.1%) 14946 (1.5%) mike
> 9 (1.8%) 22245 (2.3%) Wolf
> 9 (1.8%) 11964 (1.2%) Europus
>
> 7 (1.4%) 9494 (1%) "Ken Kixmoeller -- reply to
> ken@kixmoeller.com"
> 7 (1.4%) 5637 (0.6%) Chris
> 6 (1.2%) 4881 (0.5%) Naz Gassiep
> 5 (1%) 8497 (0.9%) "Andrew Ballard"
>
> 5 (1%) 8705 (0.9%)
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Zolt=E1n_N=E9meth?=
> 5 (1%) 4932 (0.5%) Sancar Saran
>
> 5 (1%) 6174 (0.6%) Colin Guthrie
>
> 5 (1%) 7854 (0.8%) Wang Chen
>
> 5 (1%) 5875 (0.6%) "Javier Huerta"
>
> 4 (0.8%) 6000 (0.6%) Pastor Steve
>
> 4 (0.8%) 2214 (0.2%) "Lucas Prado Melo"
>
> 4 (0.8%) 11675 (1.2%) "David Giragosian"
>
> 4 (0.8%) 25354 (2.6%) Apple7777
>
> 4 (0.8%) 3892 (0.4%) clive
>
> 4 (0.8%) 5407 (0.6%) Larry Garfield
>
> 4 (0.8%) 3479 (0.4%) "Carole E. Mah"
>
> 4 (0.8%) 3104 (0.3%) Adam Williams
>
> 3 (0.6%) 2552 (0.3%) tedd
>
> 3 (0.6%) 5341 (0.5%) Scott Wilcox
>
> 3 (0.6%) 3021 (0.3%) Max Antonov
>
> 3 (0.6%) 4873 (0.5%) Casey
>
> 3 (0.6%) 2819 (0.3%) "Tom Chubb"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 3728 (0.4%) "mathieu leddet"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 5052 (0.5%) "Sean-Michael"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 3182 (0.3%) "A.smith"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 3111 (0.3%) "Dotan Cohen"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 4201 (0.4%) Richard
>
> 3 (0.6%) 3449 (0.4%) "T.Lensselink"
>
> 3 (0.6%) 4133 (0.4%) julian
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2182 (0.2%) Paul Scott
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2793 (0.3%) "Janet N"
>
> 2 (0.4%) 11021 (1.1%) Jason Pruim
>
> 2 (0.4%) 1818 (0.2%) Pierre Pintaric
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2855 (0.3%) "Churchill, Craig"
>
> 2 (0.4%) 201342 (20.6%) Improve Your Life
> Style
> 2 (0.4%) 2542 (0.3%) Bastien Koert
>
> 2 (0.4%) 1002 (0.1%) Silvio Porcellana
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2947 (0.3%) Danny Brow
>
> 2 (0.4%) 4571 (0.5%) Steve Edberg
>
> 2 (0.4%) 3259 (0.3%) Chuck
>
> 2 (0.4%) 4262 (0.4%) "Greg Donald"
>
> 2 (0.4%) 3218 (0.3%) "GoWtHaM NaRiSiPaLli"
>
> 2 (0.4%) 7045 (0.7%)
> =?UTF-8?Q?Andrés_Robinet?=
> 2 (0.4%) 1985 (0.2%) Dave M G
>
> 2 (0.4%) 5217 (0.5%) "Dan"
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2737 (0.3%) Julian
> 2 (0.4%) 3683 (0.4%) Al
> 2 (0.4%) 4745 (0.5%)
> =?iso-8859-1?q?B=F8rge_Holen?=
> 2 (0.4%) 1242 (0.1%) Anup Shukla
>
> 2 (0.4%) 2822 (0.3%) Stut
> 2 (0.4%) 1684 (0.2%) Brady Mitchell
>
> 2 (0.4%) 1510 (0.2%) tbt
> 1 (0.2%) 731 (0.1%)
> =?iso-8859-2?Q?Luká¹_Moravec?=
> 1 (0.2%) 641 (0.1%) Stephen
>
> 1 (0.2%) 233 (0%) "Mike Smith"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1238 (0.1%) David Wonderly
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1151 (0.1%) Michael Gross
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1772 (0.2%) "Nikolay Ananiev"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 925 (0.1%) "Joey"
> 1 (0.2%) 1057 (0.1%) "Ken Kixmoeller -- reply to
> ken@kixmoeller.com"
> 1 (0.2%) 333 (0%) Balasubramanyam Ananthamurthy
>
> 1 (0.2%) 6237 (0.6%) "Maximus Entertainment"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 600 (0.1%) Shelley Shyan
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1296 (0.1%) Anjan Upadhya
>
> 1 (0.2%) 3502 (0.4%) RavenWorks
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1328 (0.1%) Reese
>
> 1 (0.2%) 3767 (0.4%) "Ryan H. Madison"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 3221 (0.3%) "Balasubramanyam A"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1527 (0.2%) Nathan Rixham
>
> 1 (0.2%) 2285 (0.2%) "Joker7"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1490 (0.2%) Shawn McKenzie
>
> 1 (0.2%) 2010 (0.2%) Nisse
> =?utf-8?Q?Engström?=
> 1 (0.2%) 295 (0%) "Prabath Kumarasinghe"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 477 (0%) "Yui Hiroaki"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1660 (0.2%)
> "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Olav_M=F8rkrid?="
> 1 (0.2%) 1765 (0.2%) "Ken Kixmoeller.com"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1111 (0.1%) David Powers
>
> 1 (0.2%) 2417 (0.2%) Terry Calie
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1648 (0.2%) "amosse@libero.it"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1370 (0.1%) "Nate Tallman"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1408 (0.1%) kingzones@gmail.com
> 1 (0.2%) 2923 (0.3%) "Christoph Boget"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1090 (0.1%) "Stijn Leenknegt"
>
> 1 (0.2%) 1519 (0.2%) Rob Gould
>
> 1 (0.2%) 708 (0.1%) Javed Khan
>
>
> Offset on Total/MOE: ~1.2%
>

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 18:06:30 von Richard Lynch

On Sat, January 19, 2008 7:39 am, David Powers wrote:
> PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote:
>> Posting Summary for PHP-General List
>
> Thanks a bundle, Dan, for publicizing everyone's email address. All
> the
> addresses are in plain text, even on the news server web interface
> ready
> for spambots to harvest.

I agree with you in spirit.

This mailing list is already archived/re-posted in SO many places that
one more won't make much difference...

Still, every little bit helps.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 18:30:10 von David Powers

Daniel Brown wrote:
> My pleasure, David.... but before you start sounding *completely*
> victimized and pointing the finger, you may want to think about the
> fact that your email address is already plain text on some of the
> archive sites --- including MARC. Just go to Google and type in your
> address.... five results with plain text email address posting (and
> much more when you visit each link).

Yes, and it's obvious how that happens. It's because people, including
yourself, don't have the courtesy to set up your email or newreader
program to remove the sender's address from replies.

> However, if it's that big of a deal to you or anyone else, let me
> know and I'll have the script omit your address from the report. I'm
> still going to track the information, including each email address,
> but I'll remove the addresses of those who may otherwise have nothing
> to whine about.

This isn't a whine. The reason the PHP lists require a genuine email
address for posting is to cut back on spam. I managed to keep this
address spam-free for many years. Not any longer. Your action has not
helped.

If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this mailing
list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the PHP
site. If there is one, I couldn't find it.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 18:53:00 von parasane

On Jan 19, 2008 12:30 PM, David Powers wrote:
> Daniel Brown wrote:
> > My pleasure, David.... but before you start sounding *completely*
> > victimized and pointing the finger, you may want to think about the
> > fact that your email address is already plain text on some of the
> > archive sites --- including MARC. Just go to Google and type in your
> > address.... five results with plain text email address posting (and
> > much more when you visit each link).
>
> Yes, and it's obvious how that happens. It's because people, including
> yourself, don't have the courtesy to set up your email or newreader
> program to remove the sender's address from replies.

By removing the email address, it completely defeats the purpose
of post tracking. That bit may have escaped you from the layout of
the report.

> > However, if it's that big of a deal to you or anyone else, let me
> > know and I'll have the script omit your address from the report. I'm
> > still going to track the information, including each email address,
> > but I'll remove the addresses of those who may otherwise have nothing
> > to whine about.
>
> This isn't a whine. The reason the PHP lists require a genuine email
> address for posting is to cut back on spam. I managed to keep this
> address spam-free for many years. Not any longer. Your action has not
> helped.

Considering this is the second time it's been (properly) sent out,
I highly doubt, David, that I've contributed to your inbox being
bombarded with SPAM. Get to the point.... do you want your address
omitted?

> If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this mailing
> list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the PHP
> site. If there is one, I couldn't find it.

That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or project.
It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post
here. And you're here as well.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 19:36:04 von David Powers

Daniel Brown wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2008 12:30 PM, David Powers wrote:

>> Yes, and it's obvious how that happens. It's because people, including
>> yourself, don't have the courtesy to set up your email or newreader
>> program to remove the sender's address from replies.
>
> By removing the email address, it completely defeats the purpose
> of post tracking. That bit may have escaped you from the layout of
> the report.

I wasn't referring to that, but to the thoughtless way that you and
others automatically include the sender's email address in plain text
every time you respond to a post. Surely it's not too much to ask that
you set your mail program or newsreader so that it doesn't display the
address?

> Considering this is the second time it's been (properly) sent out,
> I highly doubt, David, that I've contributed to your inbox being
> bombarded with SPAM. Get to the point.... do you want your address
> omitted?

Point 1: Yes, I do want my address removed.

Point 2: My address has been exposed by the thoughtless acts of others
not setting their mail program/newsreader options correctly. Apart from
the ex-BBC forum (where I have since changed the settings and edited the
relevant post), all Google references to my email address came from the
archives of this list. That's where the spam has probably started. By
publishing a weekly list of email addresses, you're just making life
easier for the spam merchants.

>> If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this mailing
>> list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the PHP
>> site. If there is one, I couldn't find it.
>
> That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or project.
> It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post
> here. And you're here as well.

Whoah, hang on a moment. It has everything to do with the PHP site and
project. It's hosted on the php.net news server. When I subscribed to
the PHP general mailing list I did not give permission for this. This is
an international list, and what you're doing breaks EU privacy laws, and
possibly those in other countries too. Please remove my name and details
from your system.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 19:47:13 von Richard Lynch

$email = str_replace(array('@', '.'), array(' AT ', ' DOT ', $email);

This will defeat 99.9999% of spambots, and still be quite usable for
any legitimate purpose.

On Sat, January 19, 2008 12:36 pm, David Powers wrote:
> Daniel Brown wrote:
>> On Jan 19, 2008 12:30 PM, David Powers wrote:
>
>>> Yes, and it's obvious how that happens. It's because people,
>>> including
>>> yourself, don't have the courtesy to set up your email or newreader
>>> program to remove the sender's address from replies.
>>
>> By removing the email address, it completely defeats the purpose
>> of post tracking. That bit may have escaped you from the layout of
>> the report.
>
> I wasn't referring to that, but to the thoughtless way that you and
> others automatically include the sender's email address in plain text
> every time you respond to a post. Surely it's not too much to ask that
> you set your mail program or newsreader so that it doesn't display the
> address?
>
>> Considering this is the second time it's been (properly) sent
>> out,
>> I highly doubt, David, that I've contributed to your inbox being
>> bombarded with SPAM. Get to the point.... do you want your address
>> omitted?
>
> Point 1: Yes, I do want my address removed.
>
> Point 2: My address has been exposed by the thoughtless acts of others
> not setting their mail program/newsreader options correctly. Apart
> from
> the ex-BBC forum (where I have since changed the settings and edited
> the
> relevant post), all Google references to my email address came from
> the
> archives of this list. That's where the spam has probably started. By
> publishing a weekly list of email addresses, you're just making life
> easier for the spam merchants.
>
>>> If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this
>>> mailing
>>> list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the
>>> PHP
>>> site. If there is one, I couldn't find it.
>>
>> That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or
>> project.
>> It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post
>> here. And you're here as well.
>
> Whoah, hang on a moment. It has everything to do with the PHP site and
> project. It's hosted on the php.net news server. When I subscribed to
> the PHP general mailing list I did not give permission for this. This
> is
> an international list, and what you're doing breaks EU privacy laws,
> and
> possibly those in other countries too. Please remove my name and
> details
> from your system.
>
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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 19:50:17 von Stut

On 19 Jan 2008, at 18:36, David Powers wrote:
> Point 2: My address has been exposed by the thoughtless acts of
> others not setting their mail program/newsreader options correctly.
> Apart from the ex-BBC forum (where I have since changed the settings
> and edited the relevant post), all Google references to my email
> address came from the archives of this list. That's where the spam
> has probably started. By publishing a weekly list of email
> addresses, you're just making life easier for the spam merchants.
>
>>> If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this
>>> mailing
>>> list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the PHP
>>> site. If there is one, I couldn't find it.
>> That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or project.
>> It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post
>> here. And you're here as well.
>
> Whoah, hang on a moment. It has everything to do with the PHP site
> and project. It's hosted on the php.net news server. When I
> subscribed to the PHP general mailing list I did not give permission
> for this. This is an international list, and what you're doing
> breaks EU privacy laws, and possibly those in other countries too.
> Please remove my name and details from your system.

This is a *public* mailing list. By posting an email to it you are
exposing your email address to an unknown number of people you don't
know. Any number of those could be spammers collecting email
addresses, or archivers creating web-based archives over which you
have no control. If you didn't want your email address to be put into
the public domain you should not have sent emails to a public mailing
list, period.

While I agree that Dan should be obfuscating the email addresses
coming from his script I think your complaints are aimed at the wrong
person. *You* are to blame for putting your email address out there,
and I think we'd all appreciate it if you would stop blaming Dan.

I use a Gmail account for all mailing lists for precisely this reason.
If you were stupid^Wnaive enough to use an "important" email address
that's your problem.

And no, I won't remove your address from the recipient list.

-Stut

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 19:51:31 von Per Jessen

David Powers wrote:

> I wasn't referring to that, but to the thoughtless way that you and
> others automatically include the sender's email address in plain text=

> every time you respond to a post. Surely it's not too much to ask tha=
t
> you set your mail program or newsreader so that it doesn't display th=
e
> address?

I think David is making a good point here. I've never actually looked
at it myself, but my knode and thunderbird both only use the name of
the sender, not the email-address, when adding the "so-and-so wrote:"
line.=20

> By publishing a weekly list of email addresses,
> you're just making life easier for the spam merchants.

I would tend to agree with that. Besides, the posting stats will loose=

nothing if the email-address is removed.

>> That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or project.
>> It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post
>> here. And you're here as well.
>=20
> Whoah, hang on a moment. It has everything to do with the PHP site an=
d
> project. It's hosted on the php.net news server. =20

The mailing list yes, but not Daniels statistics.

> When I subscribed to the PHP general mailing list I did not give
> permission for this. This is an international list, and what you're
> doing breaks EU privacy laws, and possibly those in other countries
> too.

Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. By participating on a public mailing
list, you accept that your postings and your email-address may be
essentially be sent to all and sundry.=20


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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 19:59:05 von Nathan Nobbe

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

On Jan 19, 2008 1:47 PM, Richard Lynch wrote:

> $email = str_replace(array('@', '.'), array(' AT ', ' DOT ', $email);
>
> This will defeat 99.9999% of spambots, and still be quite usable for
> any legitimate purpose.


this is a great idea; and its the same concept employed for posts to
user submitted messages on the php website.

regarding configuring mail clients to omit the senders address in the
reply, well, this is one of those things that you just cant expect every
user to do. its in the same vein as the topic dan started about the
whole [SOLVED] thing. you really cant enforce anything, since some
people dont care, and new people are signing up every day. obviously,
there can be recommendations, but in accordance wich the basic
premise of the web, if you dont want to run the risk, then dont participate.
its really that simple.

-nathan

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 20:03:52 von parasane

On Jan 19, 2008 1:47 PM, Richard Lynch wrote:
> $email = str_replace(array('@', '.'), array(' AT ', ' DOT ', $email);
>
> This will defeat 99.9999% of spambots, and still be quite usable for
> any legitimate purpose.

Yes, actually, I've already incorporated something like that into
the code. I have no problem omitting people's information from the
reports if they ask, or protecting the data (so long as it's still
readable) through obfuscation. It's more a matter of the manner in
which I was approached by a list member.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 20:06:23 von Per Jessen

Nathan Nobbe wrote:

> On Jan 19, 2008 1:47 PM, Richard Lynch wrote:
>=20
[snip]
> regarding configuring mail clients to omit the senders address in the=

> reply, well, this is one of those things that you just cant expect
> every user to do.=20

Not even you? (see above)


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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 20:09:52 von parasane

On Jan 19, 2008 1:36 PM, David Powers wrote:
> Daniel Brown wrote:
> > On Jan 19, 2008 12:30 PM, David Powers wrote:
>
> >> Yes, and it's obvious how that happens. It's because people, including
> >> yourself, don't have the courtesy to set up your email or newreader
> >> program to remove the sender's address from replies.
> >
> > By removing the email address, it completely defeats the purpose
> > of post tracking. That bit may have escaped you from the layout of
> > the report.
>
> I wasn't referring to that, but to the thoughtless way that you and
> others automatically include the sender's email address in plain text
> every time you respond to a post. Surely it's not too much to ask that
> you set your mail program or newsreader so that it doesn't display the
> address?

You may never heard of Gmail or any other hosted email clients
that don't offer this as an option. Apparently not everyone
subscribes to the same level of paranoia.

> > Considering this is the second time it's been (properly) sent out,
> > I highly doubt, David, that I've contributed to your inbox being
> > bombarded with SPAM. Get to the point.... do you want your address
> > omitted?
>
> Point 1: Yes, I do want my address removed.

Consider it very gladly done.

> Point 2: My address has been exposed by the thoughtless acts of others
> not setting their mail program/newsreader options correctly. Apart from
> the ex-BBC forum (where I have since changed the settings and edited the
> relevant post), all Google references to my email address came from the
> archives of this list. That's where the spam has probably started. By
> publishing a weekly list of email addresses, you're just making life
> easier for the spam merchants.

Poor you. You may wish to try smoke signals. If you don't want
people to see your email address, don't use email. I'm not saying
that SPAM is a welcome thing, by any means, but I find it extremely
ludicrous to expect others to go through messages to remove your email
address. Try changing your Reply-To header (or whatever other headers
you can change in your client) to rewrite your email address. You'll
notice some people have it set to send their address as
whatever.NOSPAM@NOSPAM.domain.com or the like.

> >> If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this mailing
> >> list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the PHP
> >> site. If there is one, I couldn't find it.
> >
> > That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or project.
> > It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post
> > here. And you're here as well.
>
> Whoah, hang on a moment. It has everything to do with the PHP site and
> project. It's hosted on the php.net news server. When I subscribed to
> the PHP general mailing list I did not give permission for this. This is
> an international list, and what you're doing breaks EU privacy laws, and
> possibly those in other countries too. Please remove my name and details
> from your system.

First of all, before you dare bring the PHP site or project into
your field of vision and blame, get your facts straight. The
PostTrack/ListWatch scripts are not hosted on any servers in any way
associated with the PHP project. The mailing list is hosted there,
yes.... but that's not what we're talking about here.

Secondly, before you attempt to cite EU privacy law violations
against someone who has actually studied them to remain in compliance,
and doesn't just feel well-educated on the subject because he resides
in the UK, understand that I am within compliance even in this case.
Your name and email address is considered "personal information" as
identified by the Information Commissioner's Office (the body
responsible for your jurisdiction). However, when subscribing to the
list, aside from common and public knowledge, you were made aware of
the public availability of your personal information on external
archives, to other subscribers, et cetera, upon posting a message to
the list. My offer and action to remove your information from the
public report stands as a valid and legal method for protecting your
privacy.

Finally, I don't want you to think that I'm personally-attacking
you in the same way you did to me, because I understand your concerns,
no matter how groundless further arguments may be. I don't hold that
part against you in any way, shape, or form. As such, I've made
amendments to the system to remove your information from all future
reports (provided you don't change your email address), and hopefully
we can cease this discussion, because it's obviously detracting from
productive discussion.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 21:16:41 von Nathan Nobbe

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On Jan 19, 2008 2:06 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

> Nathan Nobbe wrote:
>
> > On Jan 19, 2008 1:47 PM, Richard Lynch wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> > regarding configuring mail clients to omit the senders address in the
> > reply, well, this is one of those things that you just cant expect
> > every user to do.
>
> Not even you? (see above)


i didnt see the option in gmail; but if you know where it is or how to set
it up in gmail, i will happily take the 2 seconds to enable it.

-nathan

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 19.01.2008 23:25:54 von David Powers

Daniel Brown wrote:
> Finally, I don't want you to think that I'm personally-attacking
> you in the same way you did to me

Sorry, Dan, you just don't get it, do you? You published the name and
email address of every single person who contributed to this mailing
list in the past week. I didn't give you permission to publish my
details, and I'm pretty sure the same goes for just about everyone else.
Instead of apologizing to everyone here, you have sought to ridicule my
position.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 00:15:02 von parasane

On Jan 19, 2008 5:25 PM, David Powers wrote:
> Daniel Brown wrote:
> > Finally, I don't want you to think that I'm personally-attacking
> > you in the same way you did to me
>
> Sorry, Dan, you just don't get it, do you? You published the name and
> email address of every single person who contributed to this mailing
> list in the past week. I didn't give you permission to publish my
> details, and I'm pretty sure the same goes for just about everyone else.
> Instead of apologizing to everyone here, you have sought to ridicule my
> position.

Notice, if you will and are able, that all other posts to this
thread are responses of interest, not the ramblings of a crybaby. I
told you I would remove you from future reports, and I have. I don't
know exactly who you think you are to crusade and demand my apologies
to "everyone here" when not only have I done nothing wrong, but I've
created something that is useful and stimulating to those who Actually
Matter[TM]. Thankfully, I don't feel as though I either have to
justify myself to you, or continue speaking with you about it. So
with that....





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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 00:37:18 von David Powers

Daniel Brown wrote:
> Notice, if you will and are able, that all other posts to this
> thread are responses of interest, not the ramblings of a crybaby.

I have also noticed that many of the responses come from #1 Rated
"Year's Coolest Guy" By Self. A little humility might be in order.

> I done nothing wrong, but I've
> created something that is useful and stimulating to those who Actually
> Matter[TM].

Just to remind everyone what this useful and stimulating exercise was
for, in your own words, it was 'For bragging rights, to keep track of
how much time you've spent doing "community service" or whatever else.'

By publishing everyone's email address, you screwed up, but don't have
the decency to admit it. And at no time have I stooped to calling you names.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 00:44:24 von Jochem Maas

David Powers schreef:
> Daniel Brown wrote:
>> Finally, I don't want you to think that I'm personally-attacking
>> you in the same way you did to me
>
> Sorry, Dan, you just don't get it, do you?

good mantra - please repeat to yourself 20 times every morning whilst
you brush your teeth. actually I might do that might self, I'm sure I don't
get 'it' either most days and besides it has something strangely zen about it

there is an adage along the lines of "we tend to accuse others of things
we despise most in ourselves" ... I know I'm guilty of that on many an occasion.
how about you?

if I am correct you are or were a journalist. forgive if I have mistaken you
for another, but if that is correct then how often have you trodden on someone's
privacy for the sake of a story? it's just a thought not an accusation. but hopefully
you get the gist that maybe things are not so cut and dried as we sometimes like to think?

> You published the name and
> email address of every single person who contributed to this mailing
> list in the past week. I didn't give you permission to publish my
> details

you already did that by posting so the info is already in the public domain and
as Dan pointed out he's not actually in violation of anything - having
explained to you the actually status quo with regard to british/european
privacy law.

>, and I'm pretty sure the same goes for just about everyone else.

he doesn't need my permission. but if he did he just got it, and that
probably goes for most other people on this list. I have a feeling you pretty
much on your own here.

> Instead of apologizing to everyone here, you have sought to ridicule my
> position.

oh you did a pretty good job of that all by yourself from where I'm standing ;-)

why not get over it and join the club instead of knocking it?

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 01:22:04 von David Powers

Jochem Maas wrote:
> if I am correct you are or were a journalist. forgive if I have mistaken
> you
> for another, but if that is correct then how often have you trodden on
> someone's
> privacy for the sake of a story?

Yes, I was a journalist for some 30 years, but roughly two-thirds of
that time was spent in an editorial capacity, not on the road. I cannot
honestly remember an occasion on which I infringed someone's privacy for
the sake of a story. The privacy guidelines that applied to my job are
publicly available online:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/edguide/ privacy/consent.shtml

> as Dan pointed out he's not actually in violation of anything

That's Dan's interpretation.

> why not get over it and join the club instead of knocking it?

All that was necessary was for Dan to acknowledge that he'd made a
mistake publishing a list of everyone's email address in plain text. It
was wholly unnecessary for the purpose of creating a chart of the most
prolific posters. Counting the number of posts is pretty meaningless
anyway. It says nothing about the usefulness of those posts.

I rarely post here, not for any negative reasons, but because I can see
there are plenty of knowledgeable people here giving a lot of valuable
help to others. So I spend my time contributing to other forums where
PHP expertise is thin on the ground.

If treating someone's complaint with contempt, even if you don't agree
with the substance of it, is the way this "club" works, it's not one
that I feel comfortable joining.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 01:48:02 von Jochem Maas

David Powers schreef:
> Jochem Maas wrote:
>> if I am correct you are or were a journalist. forgive if I have
>> mistaken you
>> for another, but if that is correct then how often have you trodden on
>> someone's
>> privacy for the sake of a story?
>
> Yes, I was a journalist for some 30 years, but roughly two-thirds of
> that time was spent in an editorial capacity, not on the road.

I can't quite see what difference that makes. you wrote something, you edited something,
you allowed something through - whats the difference for the current point being discussed?

> I cannot
> honestly remember an occasion on which I infringed someone's privacy for
> the sake of a story.

even if that's your honest opinion there might be someone who thought differently
at some stage when they were affected by something you produced, no?

> The privacy guidelines that applied to my job are
> publicly available online:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/edguide/ privacy/consent.shtml
>

it's quite possible to follow the letter of law whilst raping it's spirit.

>
>> as Dan pointed out he's not actually in violation of anything
>
> That's Dan's interpretation.

isn't interpretation all we have? (not forgetting php is interpreted ;-))

>
>> why not get over it and join the club instead of knocking it?
>
> All that was necessary was for Dan to acknowledge that he'd made a
> mistake publishing a list of everyone's email address in plain text. It
> was wholly unnecessary for the purpose of creating a chart of the most
> prolific posters. Counting the number of posts is pretty meaningless
> anyway. It says nothing about the usefulness of those posts.
>
> I rarely post here, not for any negative reasons, but because I can see
> there are plenty of knowledgeable people here giving a lot of valuable
> help to others. So I spend my time contributing to other forums where
> PHP expertise is thin on the ground.

I'm of the opinion that this kind of knowledge should be concentrated in as
few places as possible, thereby offering newbies a bigger and juicier target
to aim their questions at. just a thought.

>
> If treating someone's complaint with contempt, even if you don't agree
> with the substance of it, is the way this "club" works, it's not one
> that I feel comfortable joining.

you create the world you live in, if your confronted with contempt (in your
perception) then in the end that is wholly your doing. you can't force Dan or
anyone else to do/respond in any given way (i.e. a way you see as correct) so
it's futile - I am certain that had you approached with your grievance in a
different manner then you would have gotten a completely different result, namely
the one you desired. this is in your hands, not anyone elses. this applies
to everything not just Dan or this mailing list.

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RE: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 02:15:04 von agrobinet

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Powers [mailto:david@jpni.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:22 PM
> To: php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January,
> 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
>=20
> Jochem Maas wrote:
> > if I am correct you are or were a journalist. forgive if I have
> mistaken
> > you
> > for another, but if that is correct then how often have you trodden
> on
> > someone's
> > privacy for the sake of a story?
>=20
> Yes, I was a journalist for some 30 years, but roughly two-thirds of
> that time was spent in an editorial capacity, not on the road. I =
cannot
> honestly remember an occasion on which I infringed someone's privacy
> for
> the sake of a story. The privacy guidelines that applied to my job are
> publicly available online:
>=20
> =
http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/edguide/ privacy/con
> sent.shtml
>=20
> > as Dan pointed out he's not actually in violation of anything
>=20
> That's Dan's interpretation.
>=20
> > why not get over it and join the club instead of knocking it?
>=20
> All that was necessary was for Dan to acknowledge that he'd made a
> mistake publishing a list of everyone's email address in plain text. =
It
> was wholly unnecessary for the purpose of creating a chart of the most
> prolific posters. Counting the number of posts is pretty meaningless
> anyway. It says nothing about the usefulness of those posts.
>=20
> I rarely post here, not for any negative reasons, but because I can =
see
> there are plenty of knowledgeable people here giving a lot of valuable
> help to others. So I spend my time contributing to other forums where
> PHP expertise is thin on the ground.
>=20
> If treating someone's complaint with contempt, even if you don't agree
> with the substance of it, is the way this "club" works, it's not one
> that I feel comfortable joining.
>=20
> --
> David Powers
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I have some thoughts, I just hope you (all) don't start hunting for me. =
But if you do, well, do it:

1 - I do believe the posting summary adds nothing to this list. But I =
don't care about it either. I think this is all about "karma" and as =
such, "who has the biggest dick". We could argue for hours about this, =
and I know some of you will find the stats valuable (specially to show =
your boss how "karmatic" you are, or to show your boss how much time one =
of your partners spends instead of doing his job, lol).

2 - I don't have anything against my name and email being published in =
the stats (sure, I'd like support for the "é" character on my name =
:)). I don't care about spam either, we all get spam anyway, and that's =
why we have RBLs in our mail server and the MS Outlook junk folder. =
Moreover, if I was a spammer, I would also search for mailto: patterns =
like agrobinet+at+bestplace+dot+biz, so I think I'd get mangled email =
addresses anyway.

3 - I don't like the attitude of both Dan and David. IMHO, David thinks =
the issue is more severe than it is, and Dan just won't recognize that =
mangling email addresses is kind of a (arguably also) "standard =
practice". No public apologize is needed, but maybe "Yeah, I just didn't =
consider that" would be enough.

4 - I have two phrases I like very much, one of them is "one fault does =
not cover another" and the other one is "Hakuna Matata" (yes, I saw the =
lion king baby! lol).

Just one more thing, about...

> If treating someone's complaint with contempt, even if you don't agree
> with the substance of it, is the way this "club" works, it's not one
> that I feel comfortable joining.

.... well, that's because you didn't taste the internals list yet, lol.

Regards,

Rob

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 02:55:09 von LoneWolf

David Powers wrote:
> Daniel Brown wrote:
>> Notice, if you will and are able, that all other posts to this
>> thread are responses of interest, not the ramblings of a crybaby.
>
> I have also noticed that many of the responses come from #1 Rated
> "Year's Coolest Guy" By Self. A little humility might be in order.

Humbleness DOES normally come with age sometimes, but one would assume
that with your advanced years that you might look at things differently.
That being said, while I'm sure Dan believes he's the "Year's Coolest
Guy", there are some out there who think otherwise. To each their own
as is their right. We DO live in a democracy with the right of free
thought and speech, as a journalist should well know. Perhaps during
your editorial years you missed editing all the privacy laws and such
concerning public domain. From the news reports *I* keep seeing, the
use of "public" sources and gathering of "public" information seems more
about how much the "public" can be stretched for the raping of
information to tweak the story to their own designs instead of going
after the whole truth. Gotta love one-sided reporting... But I digress...

>
>> I done nothing wrong, but I've
>> created something that is useful and stimulating to those who Actually
>> Matter[TM].
>
> Just to remind everyone what this useful and stimulating exercise was
> for, in your own words, it was 'For bragging rights, to keep track of
> how much time you've spent doing "community service" or whatever else.'
>
> By publishing everyone's email address, you screwed up, but don't have
> the decency to admit it. And at no time have I stooped to calling you
> names.

Following the posts, I do believe Dan is going to mangle the email
addresses. Heck, he can omit them to just the "name" of the poster if
he wants, won't bother me but then I don't have an á or é in my name
that's still getting fudged...

But that is all besides the point. YOU posted to the list, thereby
doing so with an email address which you have PUBLICLY posted. That you
are not happy with the list coming out means that you failed to pay
attention to this list for the last couple of weeks when 1) Dan's script
blew up and 2) last week when Richard wasn't even showing on the list.

My suggestion would be to increase your spam blocking mechanism(s) such
as Thunderbird's spam learning feature or your ISP's filtering or even
running your email through your own Linux server and using clamAV and
SpamAssassin to clean your email before popping it off to your local
machine.

Either way, your problem was your own making. Now, you could apologize
to the list and Dan for blowing things out of proportion, which would
show some humility, but you're pretty much the only one here complaining
about your email address being posted by some one else after you have
already done so.

Wolf

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 02:57:46 von parasane

On Jan 19, 2008 8:15 PM, Andr=E9s Robinet wrote:
> 2 - I don't have anything against my name and email being published in th=
e stats (sure, I'd like support for the "=E9" character on my name :)). I d=
on't care about spam either, we all get spam anyway, and that's why we have=
RBLs in our mail server and the MS Outlook junk folder. Moreover, if I was=
a spammer, I would also search for mailto: patterns like agrobinet+at+best=
place+dot+biz, so I think I'd get mangled email addresses anyway.

I am adding support for non-English characters (I think I
mentioned it this morning or last night). Something I had forgotten
about until you and Zoltan Nemeth brought it up. I'm unintentionally
closed-minded about that stuff sometimes, having the name Dan Brown.

> 3 - I don't like the attitude of both Dan and David. IMHO, David thinks t=
he issue is more severe than it is, and Dan just won't recognize that mangl=
ing email addresses is kind of a (arguably also) "standard practice". No pu=
blic apologize is needed, but maybe "Yeah, I just didn't consider that" wou=
ld be enough.

Actually, I did say that. It was a rather embarrassing oversight
on my part, and I updated the scripts as soon as it was pointed out to
me (by Richard Lynch, if memory serves correctly). To be honest, it
wouldn't make any difference really, because the moment we click the
"send" button to this - or nearly any other active list - we are
likely having our addresses broadcast to SPAM catch-all addresses
piping our email addresses into a database, as well as listing them
(plain-text) in the archives. Still, it is standard practice, and I
had forgotten to make it so in the script.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 03:01:31 von parasane

On Jan 19, 2008 8:55 PM, Wolf wrote:
> David Powers wrote:
> > Daniel Brown wrote:
> >> Notice, if you will and are able, that all other posts to this
> >> thread are responses of interest, not the ramblings of a crybaby.
> >
> > I have also noticed that many of the responses come from #1 Rated
> > "Year's Coolest Guy" By Self. A little humility might be in order.
>
> Humbleness DOES normally come with age sometimes, but one would assume
> that with your advanced years that you might look at things differently.

It's on there as a joke, not out of lack of humility. I always
have stupid little phrases in my signature lines. This one was
actually meant to be a self-bashing line meaning, "I'm the only one
who thinks I'm cool."

> That being said, while I'm sure Dan believes he's the "Year's Coolest
> Guy", there are some out there who think otherwise.

Dude.... there are A LOT of them....

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 03:13:02 von LoneWolf

Daniel Brown wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2008 8:55 PM, Wolf wrote:
>> David Powers wrote:
>>> Daniel Brown wrote:
>>>> Notice, if you will and are able, that all other posts to this
>>>> thread are responses of interest, not the ramblings of a crybaby.
>>> I have also noticed that many of the responses come from #1 Rated
>>> "Year's Coolest Guy" By Self. A little humility might be in order.
>> Humbleness DOES normally come with age sometimes, but one would assume
>> that with your advanced years that you might look at things differently.
>
> It's on there as a joke, not out of lack of humility. I always
> have stupid little phrases in my signature lines. This one was
> actually meant to be a self-bashing line meaning, "I'm the only one
> who thinks I'm cool."

Yeah, finding a random-quote adder for Thunderbird is NOT easy, even for
a windoze system. I used to have one with Outlook when I was forced to
use it. :/

But I think you're an OK kinda guy, but we'll have to see if Richard
invites us to sit with the cool kids next time. ;)

>
>> That being said, while I'm sure Dan believes he's the "Year's Coolest
>> Guy", there are some out there who think otherwise.
>
> Dude.... there are A LOT of them....

Well I wasn't gonna go there... ;)

Maybe I'm the only one who finds it interesting that jpni.co.uk is an
empty apache setup that will only show a "This account is suspended"
page when you go look at it.

And this little gem that David posted a while ago:
"With regard to the argument about free flow of information, all the
information in my books is freely available on the internet. However,
the value to most readers is that I have pulled together that
information, tested it, and presented it in a form that, hopefully,
makes it easier for beginners and intermediate developers to understand."

Now, while Dan hasn't posted his source code for the beginners and
intermediates to cull through (maybe there are some other list admins of
something productive like a good amateur porn site) that would like to
use the same gathering tactics, he has used the free flow of information
that is freely available on the internet to produce the posting summary.

Just some food for thought...

Wolf

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 03:25:57 von Ashley

Well, at least we know which subject will make it to the top next
week....

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 03:39:31 von Nathan Nobbe

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On Jan 19, 2008 9:25 PM, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>
> Well, at least we know which subject will make it to the top next
> week....


nice; say, dan, here comes another feature request; can we see the top
thread
(or 3 :)) as well ?

-nathan

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 10:19:15 von Per Jessen

Nathan Nobbe wrote:

> i didnt see the option in gmail; but if you know where it is or how t=
o
> set it up in gmail, i will happily take the 2 seconds to enable it.

Sorry, I don't use gmail.=20


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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 16:04:03 von parasane

On Jan 19, 2008 9:39 PM, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2008 9:25 PM, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>
> >
> > Well, at least we know which subject will make it to the top next
> > week....
>
> nice; say, dan, here comes another feature request; can we see the top
> thread
> (or 3 :)) as well ?

That would actually be pretty interesting. Since we've all been
known to beat a thread to death, it certainly wouldn't be difficult to
collect the data.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 16:27:38 von Jason Pruim

On Jan 20, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Daniel Brown wrote:

> On Jan 19, 2008 9:39 PM, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
>> On Jan 19, 2008 9:25 PM, Ashley M. Kirchner
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, at least we know which subject will make it to the top next
>>> week....
>>
>> nice; say, dan, here comes another feature request; can we see the
>> top
>> thread
>> (or 3 :)) as well ?
>
> That would actually be pretty interesting. Since we've all been
> known to beat a thread to death, it certainly wouldn't be difficult to
> collect the data.

Dan,

Are you implying that people on this list have ego's and they can't
let them selves be proven wrong? And will keep sending messages about
stuff until everyone else just gives up and starts forwarding their e-
mail to /dev/null?

Because... That so wouldn't fit with the image of the people I have
seen on here :P

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 18:49:01 von David Powers

Andrés Robinet wrote:
> 3 - I don't like the attitude of both Dan and David. IMHO, David thinks the issue is more severe than it is, and Dan just won't recognize that mangling email addresses is kind of a (arguably also) "standard practice". No public apologize is needed, but maybe "Yeah, I just didn't consider that" would be enough.

Well said, Andrés. This has been blown out of all proportion by the
sarcastic response I got from Dan, followed up by a group of his friends
trying to make out the the problem was all of my own making. If the
response had been, "Shucks, sorry, I'll mangle the addresses (or leave
them out) in future," that would have been an end of it. Instead, Dan
and his friends decided that attack was the best form of defence,
calling me names and questioning my integrity.

But what if everyone's addresses had been gathered by someone with a
less innocent intent than Dan's statistics?

I consider this conversation closed.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:

am 20.01.2008 18:51:48 von Paul Scott

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On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 10:04 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote:
> That would actually be pretty interesting. Since we've all been
> known to beat a thread to death, it certainly wouldn't be difficult to
> collect the data.

FWIW, I would like to continue to see these postings, as mailing list
metrics are quite interesting. I have been watching this thread with
quite a bit of interest, as I would like to do something similar with
the mailing lists for my project(s). Those projects answer to funders,
and one of the metrics that our funders would like to see, is mailing
list stats. If you do a quick google for mailman stat packages, you will
see that they are sorely lacking, so, even though this particular list
is not run on mailman, Dan's script could be the start of a *really*
useful project for me and others.

Only thing is that Dan has not posted a link to the source, nor has he
signified that he will. I have also seen a bunch of requests for graphs
and such, which I would be willing to add on in some time.

Bottom line is, I find this really interesting and useful, and would
like to use it elsewhere too.

THANKS DAN! You are at least in the top ten coolest guys in the
world....

--Paul


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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 18:54:39 von Stut

On 20 Jan 2008, at 17:49, David Powers wrote:
> Andr=E9s Robinet wrote:
>> 3 - I don't like the attitude of both Dan and David. IMHO, David =20
>> thinks the issue is more severe than it is, and Dan just won't =20
>> recognize that mangling email addresses is kind of a (arguably =20
>> also) "standard practice". No public apologize is needed, but maybe =20=

>> "Yeah, I just didn't consider that" would be enough.
>
> Well said, Andr=E9s. This has been blown out of all proportion by the =20=

> sarcastic response I got from Dan, followed up by a group of his =20
> friends trying to make out the the problem was all of my own making. =20=

> If the response had been, "Shucks, sorry, I'll mangle the addresses =20=

> (or leave them out) in future," that would have been an end of it. =20
> Instead, Dan and his friends decided that attack was the best form =20
> of defence, calling me names and questioning my integrity.
>
> But what if everyone's addresses had been gathered by someone with a =20=

> less innocent intent than Dan's statistics?

Therein lies the crux of the matter. Dan was able to gather the =20
addresses without someone else publishing them in the way he did. The =20=

list is public, anyone can join it, so there is nothing stopping a =20
spammer from collecting addresses in the same way. What Dan did has =20
certainly not made it any easier for spammers to get your address.

You seem unable to accept that you are the one that put your email =20
address out there for anyone to collect. If you can't understand that =20=

then there is indeed no point in continuing the conversation.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 19:02:55 von David Powers

Stut wrote:
> You seem unable to accept that you are the one that put your email
> address out there for anyone to collect. If you can't understand that
> then there is indeed no point in continuing the conversation.

I do understand it. What I object to is a supposedly responsible member
of this list publishing everyone's address, and then attacking me for
criticising him for such a dumb move.
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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 19:08:53 von Stut

On 20 Jan 2008, at 18:02, David Powers wrote:
> Stut wrote:
>> You seem unable to accept that you are the one that put your email
>> address out there for anyone to collect. If you can't understand
>> that then there is indeed no point in continuing the conversation.
>
> I do understand it. What I object to is a supposedly responsible
> member of this list publishing everyone's address, and then
> attacking me for criticising him for such a dumb move.

You're still missing the point. Every time you send a message to this
list *you* are publishing your email address. What Dan's done a) was
only possible because you had already published your address, and b)
almost certainly won't result in more spambots picking up your address
than would have anyway.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:

am 20.01.2008 19:11:24 von Robert Cummings

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 18:02 +0000, David Powers wrote:
> Stut wrote:
> > You seem unable to accept that you are the one that put your email
> > address out there for anyone to collect. If you can't understand that
> > then there is indeed no point in continuing the conversation.
>
> I do understand it. What I object to is a supposedly responsible member
> of this list publishing everyone's address, and then attacking me for
> criticising him for such a dumb move.

I've been away for a while... but been reading through this thread a
bit. Seems the push and shove of the thread revolves around
re-publishing what has already been publicly published. As Stut pointed
out, when you post to this list, your address becomes public. Dan has
neither added nor subtracted from the publicly available pool of email
addresses. As such, and within this context, nothing has been gained and
nothing has been lost. I understand what you are thinking, but the fact
remains your address is already public for having posted to the list. It
seems you are getting bent out of shape because you aren't grasping this
fact. Dan hasn't done anything wrong nor does he owe any apologies or
concessions.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 19:58:03 von David Powers

Robert Cummings wrote:
> I understand what you are thinking, but the fact
> remains your address is already public for having posted to the list. It
> seems you are getting bent out of shape because you aren't grasping this
> fact. Dan hasn't done anything wrong nor does he owe any apologies or
> concessions.

I am not naive enough to think that my email address would have remained
secret if Dan hadn't published the list. Unfortunately, this is the only
newsgroup out of more than 20 that I regularly monitor or contribute to
that exposes individual addresses. I have tried posting in the past with
a munged address, but the post was rejected. I took the risk of using an
address that had been spam-free for years in the full knowledge of what
might happen. I did so, because this seemed a professional list, and the
address remained spam-free for about a year after my first post. It's
only within the last couple of months that spam has started coming in.
Whether it's this list that's been harvested, it's impossible to say.

Of course, anyone with the appropriate coding skill can harvest
addresses from this list, as Dan has shown. I just don't think it's
sensible for a responsible member to hand the addresses of 100 members
on a plate to all and sundry. As I've said before, if Dan's response had
been, "Sorry, that wasn't meant to happen," that would have been the end
of it.

And now this really must be the end of it.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January,2008:php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 21:01:37 von borge

On Sunday 20 January 2008 19:58:03 David Powers wrote:
> Robert Cummings wrote:
> > I understand what you are thinking, but the fact
> > remains your address is already public for having posted to the list. It
> > seems you are getting bent out of shape because you aren't grasping this
> > fact. Dan hasn't done anything wrong nor does he owe any apologies or
> > concessions.
>
> I am not naive enough to think that my email address would have remained
> secret if Dan hadn't published the list. Unfortunately, this is the only
> newsgroup out of more than 20 that I regularly monitor or contribute to
> that exposes individual addresses. I have tried posting in the past with
> a munged address, but the post was rejected. I took the risk of using an
> address that had been spam-free for years in the full knowledge of what
> might happen. I did so, because this seemed a professional list, and the
> address remained spam-free for about a year after my first post. It's
> only within the last couple of months that spam has started coming in.
> Whether it's this list that's been harvested, it's impossible to say.
>
> Of course, anyone with the appropriate coding skill can harvest
> addresses from this list, as Dan has shown. I just don't think it's
> sensible for a responsible member to hand the addresses of 100 members
> on a plate to all and sundry. As I've said before, if Dan's response had
> been, "Sorry, that wasn't meant to happen," that would have been the end
> of it.
>
> And now this really must be the end of it.

You really don't get it yet? You distributed it, I knew your email long bef=
ore=20
Dan did squat, didn't take any programming to acomplish that.=20
And for skills? I'm poor at regexp (as in I SUCK) but hell, even I could do=
an=20
harvest directly from postfix and you would come up time after time by your=
=20
own hand, a few mails more with the mention of your email wouldn't do any=20
difference, see; I got you one the first mail.


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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 22:06:54 von Nathan Nobbe

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have you ever googled for david@jpni.co.uk ?
looks like it brings up some thread from around
september of 07... oh wait; isnt that before dan
started up the stat program ..

-nathan

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January,2008:php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 22:09:29 von borge

On Sunday 20 January 2008 22:06:54 Nathan Nobbe wrote:
> have you ever googled for david@jpni.co.uk ?
> looks like it brings up some thread from around
> september of 07... oh wait; isnt that before dan
> started up the stat program ..
>
> -nathan

MAN don't expose it like that. Now he'll get tons upon tons of spam :D


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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 22:13:19 von Nathan Nobbe

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January,

am 20.01.2008 22:38:24 von Robert Cummings

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 16:13 -0500, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2008 4:09 PM, Børge Holen wrote:
> >
> > MAN don't expose it like that. Now he'll get tons upon tons of spam :D
> >
>
> damn, did i, like, just publish it again :-O

Is this going to turn into one of those things like with the Blu-Ray
decryption code?

Slashdot in 10... ;)

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 22:43:22 von Nathan Nobbe

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January,2008:php-general@lists.php.net

am 20.01.2008 22:57:24 von borge

On Sunday 20 January 2008 22:38:24 Robert Cummings wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 16:13 -0500, Nathan Nobbe wrote:
> > On Jan 20, 2008 4:09 PM, Børge Holen wrote:
> > > MAN don't expose it like that. Now he'll get tons upon tons of spam :D
> >
> > damn, did i, like, just publish it again :-O
>
> Is this going to turn into one of those things like with the Blu-Ray
> decryption code?

nono.
Depending on the reply from david it either:
Turns into a twin peak thriller with a sudden stop
or=20
a soap like bold and the beautiful episode 345k we'll just go on and on an=
d=20
on and on.

>
> Slashdot in 10... ;)
>
> Cheers,
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RE: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 21.01.2008 00:49:32 von Jay Blanchard

[snip]
Sending to the LIST this time... I personally replied, how dumb was *I*

this morning... And top posted... Twice...

Dang Jay, you feeling OK? You've been quiet the last week... Or did=20
Richard just tie you up so you couldn't post and he could get top honors

this week? :)
[/snip]

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January,2008:php-general@lists.php.net

am 21.01.2008 01:14:34 von David Powers

Børge Holen wrote:
> You really don't get it yet? You distributed it, I knew your email long before
> Dan did squat, didn't take any programming to acomplish that.

Obviously, you don't get it either. It's now common practice to remove
email addresses from public forums. Instead of justifying Dan's mistake
(which he has acknowledged by agreeing to remove or obfuscate email
addresses in future reports), why not consider whether privacy could be
improved on the PHP list?

A Google check on my email address shows that, with one exception, it
has been released into the public domain solely through archives and
mirrors of this list. The exception is a private group, whose
administrator I have alerted to avoid the leaking of other people's
addresses.

Of course, I could set up a throwaway address; and I do have a pretty
effective spam trap. But I still need to check them both. It's a waste
of time. Spam is an upleasant fact of life, but if you consider
yourselves competent professionals, you should be doing what you can to
combat it. Dan's post didn't start the leak of addresses, but it should
be regarded as a wakeup call to the way this list is configured and run.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:

am 21.01.2008 11:02:37 von znemeth

2008. 01. 19, szombat keltezéssel 11.12-kor Daniel Brown ezt írta:

> Aside from that, Zoltan, if you happen to be able to find the
> function to post without much problem, feel free, and I'll look into
> incorporating it into the script. Otherwise, I can fix it myself. My
> fault for not thinking about non-English characters and such.

here you are. it is from my Imap class so it might need some refactoring
to fit your code, but aside from that it works for me well.

/**
* decodes email headers to utf-8 (and optionally kills line breaks
+
cuts to width adding ...)
*
* @param string $ret text to be decoded
* @param boolean $killReturnChars whether to kill return characters
* @param boolean $replaceTags whether to replace < with > and >
with <
* @param int $maxLength nr of characters returned
* @return string utf-8 encoded string
**/
public function decode_mail_header($ret, $killReturnChars = true,
$replaceTags = false, $maxLength = 0)
{
mb_internal_encoding('utf-8');
$dec = imap_mime_header_decode($ret);
$ret = '';

foreach ($dec as $as)
{
$text = $as->text;
$charset = $as->charset;
if ($charset == 'default' || empty($charset))
{
$charset = 'iso-8859-1';
}
else if ($charset == 'x-unknown')
{ // if somehow (faulty header) cannot be decoded give it another
try
$text = @mb_decode_mimeheader($text);
}
$ret .= @mb_convert_encoding($text, 'utf-8', $charset);
}
if ($maxLength >0)
{
$len = mb_strwidth($ret, 'utf-8');
if ($len > $maxLength)
{
$ret = mb_substr($ret, 0, $maxLength, 'utf-8') . '...';
}
}
// kill return chars
if ($killReturnChars)
{
$ret = mb_ereg_replace("\r", ' ', $ret);
$ret = mb_ereg_replace("\n", ' ', $ret);
}
if ($replaceTags)
{
$ret = mb_ereg_replace('<', '<', $ret);
$ret = mb_ereg_replace('>', '>', $ret);
}
return $ret;
}

greets
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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 23.01.2008 02:53:39 von Richard Lynch

On Sat, January 19, 2008 12:51 pm, Per Jessen wrote:
> David Powers wrote:
>> When I subscribed to the PHP general mailing list I did not give
>> permission for this. This is an international list, and what you're
>> doing breaks EU privacy laws, and possibly those in other countries
>> too.
>
> Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. By participating on a public mailing
> list, you accept that your postings and your email-address may be
> essentially be sent to all and sundry.

You'll also have a VERY tough time trying to ram EU privacy laws
through a non-EU court, if Dan is not in the EU...

You *know* it's an international list, so you *know* you cannot expect
your local laws to apply.

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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net

am 23.01.2008 08:54:59 von Per Jessen

Richard Lynch wrote:

> You'll also have a VERY tough time trying to ram EU privacy laws
> through a non-EU court, if Dan is not in the EU...

Forcing American law on other people of the world has not been a proble=
m
for America, why should it be a problem for the EU? :-(

> You *know* it's an international list, so you *know* you cannot expec=
t
> your local laws to apply.

If anything the applicable law is most probably that of the country in
which the mailserver is located (USA), but local law may perfectly well=

apply to individual posters.=20


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Re: Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January,2008:php-general@lists.php.net

am 27.01.2008 22:37:29 von news.NOSPAM.0ixbtqKe

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:14:34 +0000, David Powers wrote:

> A Google check on my email address shows that, with one exception, it
> has been released into the public domain solely through archives and
> mirrors of this list. The exception is a private group, whose
> administrator I have alerted to avoid the leaking of other people's
> addresses.

Google also found (for me) an XLS file, containing
your email address and what appears to be your home
address and phone number. The file itself is gone but
Google has an HTML version of it, if you know where to
find it. One more google comes up with a nice picture
of your house in the first result.

Interesting what you can find these days.


/Nisse

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