Anyone know why the activestate help files call out over the internet?
....and where it's happening
(- index.html, perltoc.html, perlmain.html, or one of the .css or .js files)?
....and how to stop it?
(i'm not worried it's evil.
it's just that i like to stay off line as much as possible, so it's a hassle)
Thanks,
~greg
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> Anyone know why the activestate help files call out over the internet?
What makes you think that? I have not noticed that. I have 5.8.8, maybe
something changed in the new package?
So, please describe what you are seeing and tell us the version you are
using.
Sinan
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> "~greg"
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>> Anyone know why the activestate help files call out over the internet?
>
> What makes you think that? I have not noticed that. I have 5.8.8, maybe
> something changed in the new package?
>
> So, please describe what you are seeing and tell us the version you are
> using.
>
> Sinan
I have gone to 5.10. But it also happened in 5.8.
I think it's always happened.
The symptom is that when I am off line,
then the help files take about 30 seconds to come up.
Of course it's unlikely that anything is actually "calling out", technically.
It's probably just due to something external being referenced.
But if I knew what, then I could comment out the line.
I should mention that I do have "always-on" cable.
But I use a kill box (PathLock NETimer.)
So I can connect and disconnect in an instant.
Which is what I do, rather than wait the 30 seconds.
But it's annoying to have to do it.
My guess is that since I do have cable, then,
as far as the OS knows, I am always connected,
so it tries to honor the external reference, for
about 30 seconds before giving up. Whereas
if you had to dial-up, then the OS would be decent
enough to immediately return a non-response,
and there'd be no delay. Whereas if you were,
in fact, always connected, then, again, there'd
be no delay. So you'd only notice the problem
if you had a set-up like mine. But that's just
a guess.
~greg
"~greg"
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>
> "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A2CB74BBE4C4asu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1...
>> "~greg"
>> news:RKudnf6AesEoAAnanZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>>> Anyone know why the activestate help files call out over the
>>> internet?
>>
>> What makes you think that? I have not noticed that. I have 5.8.8,
>> maybe something changed in the new package?
>>
>> So, please describe what you are seeing and tell us the version you
>> are using.
....
> I have gone to 5.10. But it also happened in 5.8.
> I think it's always happened.
>
> The symptom is that when I am off line,
> then the help files take about 30 seconds to come up.
>
> Of course it's unlikely that anything is actually "calling out",
> technically. It's probably just due to something external being
> referenced. But if I knew what, then I could comment out the line.
A cursory grep of all files in the html directory did not indicate to me
that anything external was being referenced.
I cannot see anything in the firewall log or netstat.
At this point, my guess would be that something in your browser
configuration requires a DNS lookup. Depending on your set up, it could
be a number of things from IE trying to check for updates to Firefox
trying to load live bookmarks. Have you ruled those possibilities out by
seeing what happens if you double-click on Perl\html\blank.html and Perl
\html\activeperl.html? Is there a difference in behavior?
Sinan
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> "~greg"
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>>
>> "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A2CB74BBE4C4asu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1...
>>> "~greg"
>>> news:RKudnf6AesEoAAnanZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>
>>>> Anyone know why the activestate help files call out over the
>>>> internet?
>>>
>>> What makes you think that? I have not noticed that. I have 5.8.8,
>>> maybe something changed in the new package?
>>>
>>> So, please describe what you are seeing and tell us the version you
>>> are using.
>
> ...
>
>> I have gone to 5.10. But it also happened in 5.8.
>> I think it's always happened.
>>
>> The symptom is that when I am off line,
>> then the help files take about 30 seconds to come up.
>>
>> Of course it's unlikely that anything is actually "calling out",
>> technically. It's probably just due to something external being
>> referenced. But if I knew what, then I could comment out the line.
>
> A cursory grep of all files in the html directory did not indicate to me
> that anything external was being referenced.
>
> I cannot see anything in the firewall log or netstat.
>
> At this point, my guess would be that something in your browser
> configuration requires a DNS lookup. Depending on your set up, it could
> be a number of things from IE trying to check for updates to Firefox
> trying to load live bookmarks. Have you ruled those possibilities out by
> seeing what happens if you double-click on Perl\html\blank.html and Perl
> \html\activeperl.html? Is there a difference in behavior?
>
>
> Sinan
Amazing! Thank you!
That helped me isolate the problem almost immediately.
And yes - it does occur on blank.html.
And the only obvious thing in blank.html
is the comment
between and
Removing that comment, removes the problem!
~~
Searching on it, I found that this is in fact some kind
of XP SP2 security feature (--or security feature workaround!)
(quoting from here: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2004/08/mark_of_th e_web.cfm )
- SP2's new "local machine lockdown" shows an alert
- when an ActiveX Control is requested for local files.
- Cure:
- You can add a "Mark of the Web" comment line to HTML files
- to preview them locally without alerts,
- such as "".
Exactly *what's* happening, I don't know.
But that is definitely *where* it's happening.
Thank you!
~greg