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#1: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-27 17:01:20 by vincent.marguerit

Hi,

I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
to delete the google ads part of the script...

How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
configuration...

Thanks,
Vincent.

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#2: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-27 20:55:07 by Shion

Defacta wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
> to delete the google ads part of the script...
>
> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
> configuration...

You could rot13() the file, and then rot13() back it and run an eval(),
no matter how you do it without a module like the one from zend, it will
be easy to see how you "encrypt" the php code and it will be easy to
remove that part and then easy to remove your google ads.


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#3: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-27 21:00:04 by Jerry Stuckle

J.O. Aho wrote:
> Defacta wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
>> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
>> to delete the google ads part of the script...
>>
>> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
>> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
>> configuration...
>
> You could rot13() the file, and then rot13() back it and run an eval(),
> no matter how you do it without a module like the one from zend, it will
> be easy to see how you "encrypt" the php code and it will be easy to
> remove that part and then easy to remove your google ads.
>
>

Additionally, google probably won't like you forcing their ads on other
people.

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#4: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-28 03:14:40 by vincent.marguerit

On Jan 27, 9:00 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
> > Defacta wrote:
> >> Hi,
>
> >> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
> >> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
> >> to delete the google ads part of the script...
>
> >> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
> >> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
> >> configuration...
>
> > You could rot13() the file, and then rot13() back it and run an eval(),
> > no matter how you do it without a module like the one from zend, it will
> > be easy to see how you "encrypt" the php code and it will be easy to
> > remove that part and then easy to remove your google ads.
>
> Additionally, google probably won't like you forcing their ads on other
> people.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstuck...@attglobal.net
> ==================

Yes maybe it's not allowed to do so with google adsense.
There is also publisher from Yahoo but you must have a U.S. Social
Security or Tax ID number, I don't have it as I am not an american
citizen...

Does anyone know a ads system like google ads I could put inside a PHP
script ?

Thanks,
Vincent.

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#5: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-28 03:44:29 by Jerry Stuckle

Defacta wrote:
> On Jan 27, 9:00 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> Defacta wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
>>>> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
>>>> to delete the google ads part of the script...
>>>> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
>>>> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
>>>> configuration...
>>> You could rot13() the file, and then rot13() back it and run an eval(),
>>> no matter how you do it without a module like the one from zend, it will
>>> be easy to see how you "encrypt" the php code and it will be easy to
>>> remove that part and then easy to remove your google ads.
>> Additionally, google probably won't like you forcing their ads on other
>> people.
>>
>> --
>> ==================
>> Remove the "x" from my email address
>> Jerry Stuckle
>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
>> jstuck...@attglobal.net
>> ==================
>
> Yes maybe it's not allowed to do so with google adsense.
> There is also publisher from Yahoo but you must have a U.S. Social
> Security or Tax ID number, I don't have it as I am not an american
> citizen...
>
> Does anyone know a ads system like google ads I could put inside a PHP
> script ?
>
> Thanks,
> Vincent.
>

Don't know, but I'd never place such a script on any of my sites,
anyway, unless you paid me.

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#6: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-28 04:43:10 by vincent.marguerit

On Jan 28, 3:44 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Defacta wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 9:00 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> J.O. Aho wrote:
> >>> Defacta wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
> >>>> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
> >>>> to delete the google ads part of the script...
> >>>> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
> >>>> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
> >>>> configuration...
> >>> You could rot13() the file, and then rot13() back it and run an eval(),
> >>> no matter how you do it without a module like the one from zend, it will
> >>> be easy to see how you "encrypt" the php code and it will be easy to
> >>> remove that part and then easy to remove your google ads.
> >> Additionally, google probably won't like you forcing their ads on other
> >> people.
>
> >> --
> >> ==================
> >> Remove the "x" from my email address
> >> Jerry Stuckle
> >> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> >> jstuck...@attglobal.net
> >> ==================
>
> > Yes maybe it's not allowed to do so with google adsense.
> > There is also publisher from Yahoo but you must have a U.S. Social
> > Security or Tax ID number, I don't have it as I am not an american
> > citizen...
>
> > Does anyone know a ads system like google ads I could put inside a PHP
> > script ?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Vincent.
>
> Don't know, but I'd never place such a script on any of my sites,
> anyway, unless you paid me.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstuck...@attglobal.net
> ==================

But it's a good script, a gallery system (once again another one) ie:
http://www.v-defacta.com/perso/

;-)

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#7: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-28 04:52:42 by Jerry Stuckle

Defacta wrote:
> On Jan 28, 3:44 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> Defacta wrote:
>>> On Jan 27, 9:00 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>>> Defacta wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
>>>>>> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
>>>>>> to delete the google ads part of the script...
>>>>>> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
>>>>>> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
>>>>>> configuration...
>>>>> You could rot13() the file, and then rot13() back it and run an eval(),
>>>>> no matter how you do it without a module like the one from zend, it will
>>>>> be easy to see how you "encrypt" the php code and it will be easy to
>>>>> remove that part and then easy to remove your google ads.
>>>> Additionally, google probably won't like you forcing their ads on other
>>>> people.
>>>> --
>>>> ==================
>>>> Remove the "x" from my email address
>>>> Jerry Stuckle
>>>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
>>>> jstuck...@attglobal.net
>>>> ==================
>>> Yes maybe it's not allowed to do so with google adsense.
>>> There is also publisher from Yahoo but you must have a U.S. Social
>>> Security or Tax ID number, I don't have it as I am not an american
>>> citizen...
>>> Does anyone know a ads system like google ads I could put inside a PHP
>>> script ?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vincent.
>> Don't know, but I'd never place such a script on any of my sites,
>> anyway, unless you paid me.
>>
>
> But it's a good script, a gallery system (once again another one) ie:
> http://www.v-defacta.com/perso/
>
> ;-)
>

So? There are dozens of good gallery systems out there - and they don't
require I places ads on my site to use them.

If you want to get paid for your scripts, fine. Charge for them. But
don't expect people to put up ads.

And BTW - any of the encryption schemes which don't require a server
add-on such as Zend aren't worth anything. It doesn't take that much
work to break them - at least as far as getting rid of annoying ads.

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#8: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-28 05:16:58 by vincent.marguerit

On Jan 28, 4:52 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Defacta wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 3:44 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> Defacta wrote:
> >>> On Jan 27, 9:00 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>> J.O. Aho wrote:
> >>>>> Defacta wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
> >>>>>> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
> >>>>>> to delete the google ads part of the script...
> >>>>>> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
> >>>>>> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
> >>>>>> configuration...
> >>>>> You could rot13() the file, and then rot13() back it and run an eval(),
> >>>>> no matter how you do it without a module like the one from zend, it will
> >>>>> be easy to see how you "encrypt" the php code and it will be easy to
> >>>>> remove that part and then easy to remove your google ads.
> >>>> Additionally, google probably won't like you forcing their ads on other
> >>>> people.
> >>>> --
> >>>> ==================
> >>>> Remove the "x" from my email address
> >>>> Jerry Stuckle
> >>>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> >>>> jstuck...@attglobal.net
> >>>> ==================
> >>> Yes maybe it's not allowed to do so with google adsense.
> >>> There is also publisher from Yahoo but you must have a U.S. Social
> >>> Security or Tax ID number, I don't have it as I am not an american
> >>> citizen...
> >>> Does anyone know a ads system like google ads I could put inside a PHP
> >>> script ?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Vincent.
> >> Don't know, but I'd never place such a script on any of my sites,
> >> anyway, unless you paid me.
>
> > But it's a good script, a gallery system (once again another one) ie:
> >http://www.v-defacta.com/perso/
>
> > ;-)
>
> So? There are dozens of good gallery systems out there - and they don't
> require I places ads on my site to use them.
>
> If you want to get paid for your scripts, fine. Charge for them. But
> don't expect people to put up ads.
>
> And BTW - any of the encryption schemes which don't require a server
> add-on such as Zend aren't worth anything. It doesn't take that much
> work to break them - at least as far as getting rid of annoying ads.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstuck...@attglobal.net
> ==================

This is what I would like, if you don't want the google ads you can
pay the licence which makes the ads not appear...

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#9: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-28 06:11:45 by Steve

"Defacta" <vincent.marguerit@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6af32080-5db1-4595-80f8-38e2bdc1c27a@y5g2000hsf.googleg roups.com...
> On Jan 28, 4:52 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> Defacta wrote:
>> > On Jan 28, 3:44 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> Defacta wrote:
>> >>> On Jan 27, 9:00 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> >>>>> Defacta wrote:
>
> This is what I would like, if you don't want the google ads you can
> pay the licence which makes the ads not appear...

jerry is quite right. unless you build your own compiled add-on, you cannot
hope to *obfuscate* your script where it cannot be hacked. further, i doubt
there is *anything* you could produce that would be worth a professional
paying for...and nothing we couldn't reproduce ourselves. for our concerns
and those of our employers, negotiating IP is the best protection your
'special' code could have.

tell us what you're cooking up and i'll be happy to produce a couple of
examples where someone else has done it and posted the source free of
charge. :)

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#10: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-28 10:04:10 by vincent.marguerit

On Jan 28, 6:11 am, "Steve" <no....@example.com> wrote:
> "Defacta" <vincent.margue...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6af32080-5db1-4595-80f8-38e2bdc1c27a@y5g2000hsf.googleg roups.com...
>
> > On Jan 28, 4:52 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> Defacta wrote:
> >> > On Jan 28, 3:44 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >> Defacta wrote:
> >> >>> On Jan 27, 9:00 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >>>> J.O. Aho wrote:
> >> >>>>> Defacta wrote:
>
> > This is what I would like, if you don't want the google ads you can
> > pay the licence which makes the ads not appear...
>
> jerry is quite right. unless you build your own compiled add-on, you cannot
> hope to *obfuscate* your script where it cannot be hacked. further, i doubt
> there is *anything* you could produce that would be worth a professional
> paying for...and nothing we couldn't reproduce ourselves. for our concerns
> and those of our employers, negotiating IP is the best protection your
> 'special' code could have.
>
> tell us what you're cooking up and i'll be happy to produce a couple of
> examples where someone else has done it and posted the source free of
> charge. :)

I am going to use Ioncube I think even if it does not work on all
servers:
http://cult.free.fr/ioncube/ioncube-encoded-file.php

Thanks for your help.

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#11: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-28 13:17:00 by Jerry Stuckle

Defacta wrote:
> On Jan 28, 6:11 am, "Steve" <no....@example.com> wrote:
>> "Defacta" <vincent.margue...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:6af32080-5db1-4595-80f8-38e2bdc1c27a@y5g2000hsf.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>> On Jan 28, 4:52 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> Defacta wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 28, 3:44 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Defacta wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 9:00 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Defacta wrote:
>>> This is what I would like, if you don't want the google ads you can
>>> pay the licence which makes the ads not appear...
>> jerry is quite right. unless you build your own compiled add-on, you cannot
>> hope to *obfuscate* your script where it cannot be hacked. further, i doubt
>> there is *anything* you could produce that would be worth a professional
>> paying for...and nothing we couldn't reproduce ourselves. for our concerns
>> and those of our employers, negotiating IP is the best protection your
>> 'special' code could have.
>>
>> tell us what you're cooking up and i'll be happy to produce a couple of
>> examples where someone else has done it and posted the source free of
>> charge. :)
>
> I am going to use Ioncube I think even if it does not work on all
> servers:
> http://cult.free.fr/ioncube/ioncube-encoded-file.php
>
> Thanks for your help.
>

And will take about 10 minutes for an experienced programmer to hack...

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#12: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-28 20:20:01 by Animesh Kumar

Defacta wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
> to delete the google ads part of the script...
>
> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
> configuration...
>
> Thanks,
> Vincent.

AFAIK, Firefox/Adblock/etc removes "blocks" from the HTML page. I don't
see how you can fudge up the html and yet display it correctly.

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#13: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-28 22:56:10 by Steve

"Animesh K" <animesh1978@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fnl9su$5fv$2@agate.berkeley.edu...
> Defacta wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
>> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
>> to delete the google ads part of the script...
>>
>> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
>> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
>> configuration...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Vincent.
>
> AFAIK, Firefox/Adblock/etc removes "blocks" from the HTML page. I don't
> see how you can fudge up the html and yet display it correctly.

please read the post. that is NOT what he wants to do.

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#14: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-29 02:35:26 by Animesh Kumar

Steve wrote:
> "Animesh K" <animesh1978@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fnl9su$5fv$2@agate.berkeley.edu...
>> Defacta wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
>>> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
>>> to delete the google ads part of the script...
>>>
>>> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
>>> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
>>> configuration...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vincent.
>> AFAIK, Firefox/Adblock/etc removes "blocks" from the HTML page. I don't
>> see how you can fudge up the html and yet display it correctly.
>
> please read the post. that is NOT what he wants to do.
>
>

Yes you are correct.

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#15: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-29 04:21:17 by Steve

"Animesh K" <animesh1978@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fnlvpg$cj6$3@agate.berkeley.edu...
> Steve wrote:
>> "Animesh K" <animesh1978@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fnl9su$5fv$2@agate.berkeley.edu...
>>> Defacta wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
>>>> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
>>>> to delete the google ads part of the script...
>>>>
>>>> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
>>>> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
>>>> configuration...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Vincent.
>>> AFAIK, Firefox/Adblock/etc removes "blocks" from the HTML page. I don't
>>> see how you can fudge up the html and yet display it correctly.
>>
>> please read the post. that is NOT what he wants to do.
>
> Yes you are correct.

like i needed confirmation

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#16: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-29 20:54:17 by Animesh Kumar

Steve wrote:
> "Animesh K" <animesh1978@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fnlvpg$cj6$3@agate.berkeley.edu...
>> Steve wrote:
>>> "Animesh K" <animesh1978@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fnl9su$5fv$2@agate.berkeley.edu...
>>>> Defacta wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google ads.
>>>>> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be able
>>>>> to delete the google ads part of the script...
>>>>>
>>>>> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend, my
>>>>> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
>>>>> configuration...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Vincent.
>>>> AFAIK, Firefox/Adblock/etc removes "blocks" from the HTML page. I don't
>>>> see how you can fudge up the html and yet display it correctly.
>>> please read the post. that is NOT what he wants to do.
>> Yes you are correct.
>
> like i needed confirmation
>
>

I don't mind admitting mistake when I need to. I didn't write the post
to confirm you.

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#17: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-29 21:11:58 by Steve

"Animesh K" <animesh1978@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fno08v$10qu$1@agate.berkeley.edu...
> Steve wrote:
>> "Animesh K" <animesh1978@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fnlvpg$cj6$3@agate.berkeley.edu...
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>> "Animesh K" <animesh1978@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fnl9su$5fv$2@agate.berkeley.edu...
>>>>> Defacta wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to make a script in which there would be some google
>>>>>> ads.
>>>>>> The problem is if the PHP code source is available people will be
>>>>>> able
>>>>>> to delete the google ads part of the script...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How can I make the code be illegible without using Ioncube or Zend,
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> goal is to make this script work everywhere not with a specific
>>>>>> configuration...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Vincent.
>>>>> AFAIK, Firefox/Adblock/etc removes "blocks" from the HTML page. I
>>>>> don't see how you can fudge up the html and yet display it correctly.
>>>> please read the post. that is NOT what he wants to do.
>>> Yes you are correct.
>>
>> like i needed confirmation
>
> I don't mind admitting mistake when I need to. I didn't write the post to
> confirm you.

did i care the first time? didn't sound like it. do i care this time? still
doesn't sound like it. i wonder if it'll take 3 times for you to get the
drift? i suppose i'll know if you still need to respond here.

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#18: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-29 21:28:53 by Animesh Kumar

Steve wrote:
<snip>
> did i care the first time? didn't sound like it. do i care this time? still
> doesn't sound like it. i wonder if it'll take 3 times for you to get the
> drift? i suppose i'll know if you still need to respond here.
>
>

If you don't care, why are you replying to it? Something that does not
bothers you will not evoke a response.

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#19: Re: Make the code be illegible

Posted on 2008-01-29 21:37:52 by Steve

"Animesh K" <animesh1978@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Steve wrote:
> <snip>
>> did i care the first time? didn't sound like it. do i care this time?
>> still doesn't sound like it. i wonder if it'll take 3 times for you to
>> get the drift? i suppose i'll know if you still need to respond here.
>
> If you don't care, why are you replying to it? Something that does not
> bothers you will not evoke a response.

so, beautiful women evoke no response in you? ROFLMAO!

(i see it's going to take a sledge hammer instead of my less-than subtle
hints)

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