Re: Daylight saving in NSW

Neredbojias wrote:

> > It would also cause lots of little misunderstandings and disagreements.
> > Let's say that we work in the same office, and we have a weekly meeting
> > at 10.00 AM each monday. Would that meeting change to 9.00 AM too? You
> > probably say that it does, but I may disagree. Why would the meeting
> > have to change? The fact that we now come into the office one hour
> > earlier has little or nothing to do with our meeting, so as far as I'm
> > concerned 10.00 AM means 10.00 AM. BTW, wouldn't it be silly if the Nine
> > O'Clock News was suddenly at eight? Just setting the clock one hour
> > earlier avoids all those problems.
>
> Yes, I'd say that _everything_ should change so the meeting should be at
> 9:00 am - which would be the same amount of time after work-start. I don't
> see this as being a particularly egregious problem, but I don't expect
> universal agreement on it (-or anything.)

That's exactly the point. If the country decides to use DST, there is
nothing you or any other individual can do about it. You may not agree,
but you have to live by it. It's 2.50 PM now in my country, whether I
like it or not. A time offset on the other hand cannot be enforced. If
some people don't use it for whatever reason, there is nothing you can
do about it. But the result is chaos and misunderstandings. I would
agree with you on the regular meeting. But what about a one time meeting
that we planned? When we agreed to meet at 10 AM, did we mean "10 AM
including the time offset", or did we mean "10 AM excludung the time
offset, so actually 9 AM". I honestly wouldn't know without asking you
what you think we agreed upon...


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Re: Daylight saving in NSW

On 31 Mar 2008, nomail@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

>> Yes, I'd say that _everything_ should change so the meeting should be
>> at 9:00 am - which would be the same amount of time after work-start.
>> I don't see this as being a particularly egregious problem, but I
>> don't expect universal agreement on it (-or anything.)
>
> That's exactly the point. If the country decides to use DST, there is
> nothing you or any other individual can do about it. You may not
> agree, but you have to live by it. It's 2.50 PM now in my country,
> whether I like it or not. A time offset on the other hand cannot be
> enforced. If some people don't use it for whatever reason, there is
> nothing you can do about it. But the result is chaos and
> misunderstandings. I would agree with you on the regular meeting. But
> what about a one time meeting that we planned? When we agreed to meet
> at 10 AM, did we mean "10 AM including the time offset", or did we
> mean "10 AM excludung the time offset, so actually 9 AM". I honestly
> wouldn't know without asking you what you think we agreed upon...

Yes, that could easily cause confusion if left unaddressed, so the answer
is to set a convention. All referred-to times will either be the clock
time or the executable time during the offset time period.

Simple...

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Re: Daylight saving in NSW

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:24:27 +0200, nomail@please.invalid (Johan W.
Elzenga) wrote:

>That's exactly the point. If the country decides to use DST, there is
>nothing you or any other individual can do about it. You may not agree,
>but you have to live by it. It's 2.50 PM now in my country, whether I
>like it or not. A time offset on the other hand cannot be enforced. If
>some people don't use it for whatever reason, there is nothing you can
>do about it. But the result is chaos and misunderstandings. I would
>agree with you on the regular meeting. But what about a one time meeting
>that we planned? When we agreed to meet at 10 AM, did we mean "10 AM
>including the time offset", or did we mean "10 AM excludung the time
>offset, so actually 9 AM". I honestly wouldn't know without asking you
>what you think we agreed upon...


When you are meeting someone in another time zone, you have that
problem. But at my work, I am working shortly after 6:00 AM, while
some people don't get in until 9:00. I know enough to not
schedule a 7:00 meeting and they know enough to not schedule a 4:00
meeting. (exceptions arise). Meanwhile our customers have more
hours of support.