Re: Daylight saving in NSW

Baho Utot wrote:

> >> Nothing, You have exactly the same amount of "daylite" DST only
> >> re-lables it.
> >>
> >> You don't gain or get anything.
> >
> > You did indeed not understand a word of it, so let me try once more.
> > I'll type it slowly:
> >
> > It's not about gaining an hour of daylight each day. It's about gaining
> > an hour of daylight d u r i n g t h e t i m e t h a t y o u a
> > r e a w a k e.
>
> Let me re-type this again....How do you know when I sleep and when I am
> awake?

I don't and I couldn't care less. As far as I'm concerned, you are never
realy awake. But what makes you think that DST was invented especially
for you and only for you? I hate to be the one to bring this news to
you, but it wasn't.

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Re: Daylight saving in NSW

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:24:28 +0200, nomail@please.invalid (Johan W.
Elzenga) wrote:

>I don't and I couldn't care less. As far as I'm concerned, you are never
>realy awake. But what makes you think that DST was invented especially
>for you and only for you? I hate to be the one to bring this news to
>you, but it wasn't.

Politicians like to do stuff. It doesn't matter whether it works or
not. Some people are morning people, some people are evening
people. Most assume everybody else would be like them if only they
were enlightened.

Re: Daylight saving in NSW

On 01 Apr 2008, Howard Brazee wrote:


>>I don't and I couldn't care less. As far as I'm concerned, you are never
>>realy awake. But what makes you think that DST was invented especially
>>for you and only for you? I hate to be the one to bring this news to
>>you, but it wasn't.
>
> Politicians like to do stuff. It doesn't matter whether it works or
> not. Some people are morning people, some people are evening
> people. Most assume everybody else would be like them if only they
> were enlightened.

No truer words were ever spoken!

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On 03 Apr 2008, Lewis wrote:

>>>>I don't and I couldn't care less. As far as I'm concerned, you are
>>>>never realy awake. But what makes you think that DST was invented
>>>>especially for you and only for you? I hate to be the one to bring
>>>>this news to you, but it wasn't.
>>>
>>> Politicians like to do stuff. It doesn't matter whether it works
>>> or not. Some people are morning people, some people are evening
>>> people. Most assume everybody else would be like them if only
>>> they were enlightened.
>
>> No truer words were ever spoken!
>
> No, some people are early morning people and some are late night
> people. EVERYONE is "evening people'.
>
> On a typical summer 'evening' I have time to have a nice diner out,
> take the kids miniature golfing or something, maybe for an ice cream,
> spend a good hour at the park, and STILL get home before dark. Or we
> can go spend 4 hours at the pool and get home just after dark.

And you couldn't do exactly the same thing if you started your day an hour
earlier without changing the clocks?

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On 04 Apr 2008, Lewis wrote:

>> And you couldn't do exactly the same thing if you started your day an
>> hour earlier without changing the clocks?
>
> And how do I manage to start my day an hour earlier, exactly?
>
> I don't know anyone who works for a company that allows them to come
> in when they want and leave when they want. Perhaps things are
> different in more civilized countries. But over here you are expected
> to be at work at 9am and leave at 5pm, and that's the case for most
> people.

That's the point. Instead of having the onus the dst, your company (and
everyone) adjusts hours for the seasonal solar variation. So in warmer
half of the year, you'd be expected to be at work at 8am.

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Re: Daylight saving in NSW

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:28:34 -0500, Lewis
wrote:

>And how do I manage to start my day an hour earlier, exactly?
>
>I don't know anyone who works for a company that allows them to come in
>when they want and leave when they want. Perhaps things are different in
>more civilized countries. But over here you are expected to be at work at
>9am and leave at 5pm, and that's the case for most people.

But I see people working at all hours of the day. Businesses that
limit their hours to a standard are not prepaired to work with their
customers who work other times.

I agree that happens. The worst case of this for me was when I was
an unmarried Lt. in pilot training in the USAF. The post office,
barber shop, and some other services were open while I was working,
and closed when I was off - but the whole base was there to teach us
to fly!

Lots of people take jobs that allow one spouse to take children to
school, and the other spouse to take them home.

Any company that has nationwide customers needs to be open during its
customer's time needs.

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Re: Daylight saving in NSW

On 04 Apr 2008, Lewis wrote:

>> That's the point. Instead of having the onus the dst, your company
>> (and everyone) adjusts hours for the seasonal solar variation. So in
>> warmer half of the year, you'd be expected to be at work at 8am.
>
> And what if my employer doesn't want to do that? Or worse, what if
> mine DOES, but my wife's doesn't?

What if your employer wants to change your start-time now? Is there
anything you can do about it?

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Re: Daylight saving in NSW

Neredbojias wrote:
> On 04 Apr 2008, Lewis wrote:
>
>>> That's the point. Instead of having the onus the dst, your company
>>> (and everyone) adjusts hours for the seasonal solar variation. So in
>>> warmer half of the year, you'd be expected to be at work at 8am.
>> And what if my employer doesn't want to do that? Or worse, what if
>> mine DOES, but my wife's doesn't?
>
> What if your employer wants to change your start-time now? Is there
> anything you can do about it?
>

Of course. You can quit. Or, negotiate. And if your employer does not
wish to negotiate? Well, it is HIS job, not yours, after all, eh? It
is HIS company, not yours, right? So, that job exists not because of
you but because of him. So. If you want that job, with whatever
current specs for it exist because of the owner's requirements, well,
adjust or find a new job. Life is hard, get used to it. But, also, get
real. It is not "your" job. It is "his" job and he can offer it to
anyone he likes, for whatever terms he likes. It is HIS business, not
yours. And it's his job, not yours. If you have the qualities that he
decides the job demands, great! You now have a negotiating point!
Convince him that you posses the qualities he needs for that particular
job. If you cannot? Well, you're shit outta luck. But, it's still HIS
job, not yours. He is the one producing the commercial benefit, not you.
His is still the risk, not yours. He is the one betting it all on his
idea for a business, including how to take care of employees. Your role
is to do such a wonderful job that he thinks you're indespensible. If
you can't do that, well, you are at risk.

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Re: Daylight saving in NSW

On 05 Apr 2008, Ed Mullen wrote:

> Neredbojias wrote:
>> What if your employer wants to change your start-time now? Is there
>> anything you can do about it?
>>
>
> Of course. You can quit. Or, negotiate. And if your employer does not
> wish to negotiate? Well, it is HIS job, not yours, after all, eh? It
> is HIS company, not yours, right? So, that job exists not because of
> you but because of him. So. If you want that job, with whatever
> current specs for it exist because of the owner's requirements, well,
> adjust or find a new job. Life is hard, get used to it. But, also, get
> real. It is not "your" job. It is "his" job and he can offer it to
> anyone he likes, for whatever terms he likes. It is HIS business, not
> yours. And it's his job, not yours. If you have the qualities that he
> decides the job demands, great! You now have a negotiating point!
> Convince him that you posses the qualities he needs for that particular
> job. If you cannot? Well, you're shit outta luck. But, it's still HIS
> job, not yours. He is the one producing the commercial benefit, not you.
> His is still the risk, not yours. He is the one betting it all on his
> idea for a business, including how to take care of employees. Your role
> is to do such a wonderful job that he thinks you're indespensible. If
> you can't do that, well, you are at risk.

Well, that was my point. Lewis has no more influence over his employer
with or without DST. Furthermore, the seasonal "starting-an-hour-earlier"
thing would be a convention on a par with resetting clocks under the latter
system so any business's or person's option would be the same. Ergo, his
objection is fallacious.

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Re: Daylight saving in NSW

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:29:09 -0500, Lewis
wrote:

>> That's the point. Instead of having the onus the dst, your company (and
>> everyone) adjusts hours for the seasonal solar variation. So in warmer
>> half of the year, you'd be expected to be at work at 8am.
>
>And what if my employer doesn't want to do that? Or worse, what if mine DOES, but my wife's doesn't?

It's a free country, whether or not there is DST, you can either
comply with whatever your employer wants, or get a new job.

But in your case, she gets the kids around in the morning, you get
them around in the evening.