"PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

Has anyone read this book by Larry Ullman yet? If so, what do you
think about it? I'm looking for a well-rounded book that covers PHP
for e-commerce websites and from what little I've been able to find
online, it looks pretty good. Or would you recommend another book?

I know that no book has all the answers - I just want something in my
hands to read. However, I've bought a few Perl books that were a
waste of money, so this time, I thought I'd ask first.

Thanks,
Frank

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

why do u stick to php 6?

i would recommend www.scribd.com and have a search on PHP. there are books
on beginners for php5 and articles of the difference to php 6.

a very usefull site by the way, made me stopping buying books. loads of
material on IT stuff.

ralph
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> Has anyone read this book by Larry Ullman yet? If so, what do you
> think about it? I'm looking for a well-rounded book that covers PHP
> for e-commerce websites and from what little I've been able to find
> online, it looks pretty good. Or would you recommend another book?
>
> I know that no book has all the answers - I just want something in my
> hands to read. However, I've bought a few Perl books that were a
> waste of money, so this time, I thought I'd ask first.
>
> Thanks,
> Frank



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Re: Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 02:55 +0200, Ralph Deffke wrote:
> why do u stick to php 6?
>
> i would recommend www.scribd.com and have a search on PHP. there are books
> on beginners for php5 and articles of the difference to php 6.
>
> a very usefull site by the way, made me stopping buying books. loads of
> material on IT stuff.
>
> ralph
> ralph_deffke@yahoo.de
>
> wrote in message
> news:43BDA83E-2383-48A8-87CA-4408244FADB3@fannullone.us...
> > Has anyone read this book by Larry Ullman yet? If so, what do you
> > think about it? I'm looking for a well-rounded book that covers PHP
> > for e-commerce websites and from what little I've been able to find
> > online, it looks pretty good. Or would you recommend another book?
> >
> > I know that no book has all the answers - I just want something in my
> > hands to read. However, I've bought a few Perl books that were a
> > waste of money, so this time, I thought I'd ask first.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Frank
>
>
>
I'd focus on PHP 5 more than 6 just now, as the majority of hosting
companies out there are still only offering PHP 5 installations.
Learning 6 without learning 5 could lead you into some very interesting
conversations with clients!

Thanks,
Ash
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RE: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

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> Has anyone read this book by Larry Ullman yet? If so, what do
you =20
> think about it? I'm looking for a well-rounded book that covers PHP =20
> for e-commerce websites and from what little I've been able to find =20
> online, it looks pretty good. Or would you recommend another book?

Like all books with MySQL in the title, I'm waiting for it to be
translated into PostgreSQL.

We used to have MySQL in our systems, but when they changed to the
per-server license fee structure we had to change to PostgreSQL. Two
proposals we had in progress for distributed systems would have ended up
with 80% of the price being passed through as fees to MySQL AB.

Bob McConnell

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

At 5:34 PM -0700 8/5/09, sono-io@fannullone.us wrote:
> Has anyone read this book by Larry Ullman yet? If so, what
>do you think about it? I'm looking for a well-rounded book that
>covers PHP for e-commerce websites and from what little I've been
>able to find online, it looks pretty good. Or would you recommend
>another book?
>
> I know that no book has all the answers - I just want
>something in my hands to read. However, I've bought a few Perl
>books that were a waste of money, so this time, I thought I'd ask
>first.
>
>Thanks,
>Frank

I found that all of Larry Ullman books are good.

From a beginners point of view, you might want to buy some of his
earlier books -- you should get a better price for a used version.
That way you can work your way up to php 6.

Cheers,

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:32 AM, tedd wrote:
> At 5:34 PM -0700 8/5/09, sono-io@fannullone.us wrote:
>>
>>        Has anyone read this book by Larry Ullman yet=
?  If so, what do you
>> think about it?  I'm looking for a well-rounded book that covers PH=
P for
>> e-commerce websites and from what little I've been able to find online, =
it
>> looks pretty good.  Or would you recommend another book?
>>
>>        I know that no book has all the answers - I j=
ust want something in
>> my hands to read.  However, I've bought a few Perl books that were =
a waste
>> of money, so this time, I thought I'd ask first.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Frank
>
> I found that all of Larry Ullman books are good.
>
> From a beginners point of view, you might want to buy some of his earlier
> books -- you should get a better price for a used version. That way you c=
an
> work your way up to php 6.
>
> Cheers,
>
> tedd
>
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Does no one see the inherent issues in buying a book about a
not-feature-complete version of the language?

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

At 11:41 AM -0400 8/6/09, Eddie Drapkin wrote:
>Does no one see the inherent issues in buying a book about a
>not-feature-complete version of the language?

They are cheaper. Plus, if you're trying to learn the basics, old
books have some value. They are not totally worthless. I often
reference back to old books.

Of course, that's my opinion. Your opinion obviously differs.

Cheers,

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

because this is to start with the baby figuring out about a family
:-)

ralph_deffke@yahoo.de

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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:32 AM, tedd wrote:
> At 5:34 PM -0700 8/5/09, sono-io@fannullone.us wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone read this book by Larry Ullman yet? If so, what do you
>> think about it? I'm looking for a well-rounded book that covers PHP for
>> e-commerce websites and from what little I've been able to find online,
it
>> looks pretty good. Or would you recommend another book?
>>
>> I know that no book has all the answers - I just want something in
>> my hands to read. However, I've bought a few Perl books that were a waste
>> of money, so this time, I thought I'd ask first.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Frank
>
> I found that all of Larry Ullman books are good.
>
> From a beginners point of view, you might want to buy some of his earlier
> books -- you should get a better price for a used version. That way you
can
> work your way up to php 6.
>
> Cheers,
>
> tedd
>
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Does no one see the inherent issues in buying a book about a
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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

"Eddie Drapkin" wrote in message
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>
> Does no one see the inherent issues in buying a book about a
> not-feature-complete version of the language?

PHP 6 does not exist yet, and no hosting companies provide it as an option,
so describing existing versions of PHP as "not-feature-complete" is a bit
premature.

As the book is simply an update to his original version which was published
in 2003, and again in 2005, it is about using PHP and MySQL to build a
dynamic web site, and as such every version is still perfectly valid and
useful to the novice programmer.

This not a book which is supposed to describe every possible feature within
the PHP language as it is not necessary to use every possible feature in
order to build a dynamic website.

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Tony
Marston wrote:
>
> "Eddie Drapkin" wrote in message
> news:68de37340908060841x129a9096w6c0907f85614c52e@mail.gmail .com...
>
>>
>> Does no one see the inherent issues in buying a book about a
>> not-feature-complete version of the language?
>
> PHP 6 does not exist yet, and no hosting companies provide it as an option,
> so describing existing versions of PHP as "not-feature-complete" is a bit
> premature.
>
> As the book is simply an update to his original version which was published
> in 2003, and again in 2005, it is about using PHP and MySQL to build a
> dynamic web site, and as such every version is still perfectly valid and
> useful to the novice programmer.
>
> This not a book which is supposed to describe every possible feature within
> the PHP language as it is not necessary to use every possible feature in
> order to build a dynamic website.
>
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I meant that PHP6 was "not feature-complete" in that the "spec" of
PHP6 will change before it's released. We don't know at this point
what will or will not be included in PHP6 and writing a book about an
incomplete version of the language seems silly.

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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Eddie Drapkin wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Tony
> Marston wrote:
> >
> > "Eddie Drapkin" wrote in message
> > news:68de37340908060841x129a9096w6c0907f85614c52e@mail.gmail .com...
> >
> >>
> >> Does no one see the inherent issues in buying a book about a
> >> not-feature-complete version of the language?
> >
> > PHP 6 does not exist yet, and no hosting companies provide it as an
> option,
> > so describing existing versions of PHP as "not-feature-complete" is a bit
> > premature.
> >
> > As the book is simply an update to his original version which was
> published
> > in 2003, and again in 2005, it is about using PHP and MySQL to build a
> > dynamic web site, and as such every version is still perfectly valid and
> > useful to the novice programmer.
> >
> > This not a book which is supposed to describe every possible feature
> within
> > the PHP language as it is not necessary to use every possible feature in
> > order to build a dynamic website.
> >
> > --
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> > http://www.tonymarston.net
> > http://www.radicore.org
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> I meant that PHP6 was "not feature-complete" in that the "spec" of
> PHP6 will change before it's released. We don't know at this point
> what will or will not be included in PHP6 and writing a book about an
> incomplete version of the language seems silly.
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That probably seems silly to you... but there are authors (and editors) who
thinks writing a book about the last version of PHP is a good business, and
don't care if the language is full featured or even "released"

It is up to you to read the book or not.

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 17:24 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
> PHP 6 does not exist yet,

Funny, that's not what the PHP site says:

http://snaps.php.net/

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

Don't be so pedantic. PHP 6 does not exist in a live, production-ready
version. It is still under development and has not even reached the beta
stage. Anyone who writes a book which documents the features of PHP 6 is
being very premature as those features may change at any moment. The
features will not be frozen until the first GA release.

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"Ashley Sheridan" wrote in message
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> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 17:24 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
>> PHP 6 does not exist yet,
>
> Funny, that's not what the PHP site says:
>
> http://snaps.php.net/
>
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 20:16 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
> Don't be so pedantic. PHP 6 does not exist in a live, production-ready
> version. It is still under development and has not even reached the beta
> stage. Anyone who writes a book which documents the features of PHP 6 is
> being very premature as those features may change at any moment. The
> features will not be frozen until the first GA release.
>
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> http://www.radicore.org
>
> "Ashley Sheridan" wrote in message
> news:1249585209.2818.0.camel@localhost...
> > On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 17:24 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
> >> PHP 6 does not exist yet,
> >
> > Funny, that's not what the PHP site says:
> >
> > http://snaps.php.net/
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ash
> > http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
> >
>
>
>
What I'm trying to say is that writing a book is not premature, as the
feature list is likely not to change much, if at all. So what makes you
think it is premature of the authors?

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 20:16 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
>> Don't be so pedantic. PHP 6 does not exist in a live, production-ready
>> version. It is still under development and has not even reached the beta
>> stage. Anyone who writes a book which documents the features of PHP 6 is
>> being very premature as those features may change at any moment. The
>> features will not be frozen until the first GA release.
>>
>> --
>> Tony Marston
>> http://www.tonymarston.net
>> http://www.radicore.org
>>
>> "Ashley Sheridan" wrote in message
>> news:1249585209.2818.0.camel@localhost...
>> > On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 17:24 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
>> >> PHP 6 does not exist yet,
>> >
>> > Funny, that's not what the PHP site says:
>> >
>> > http://snaps.php.net/
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ash
>> > http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>> >
>>
>>
>>
> What I'm trying to say is that writing a book is not premature, as the
> feature list is likely not to change much, if at all. So what makes you
> think it is premature of the authors?
>
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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I'd be surprised if the feature stays the same at all. Just take a
look at http://wiki.php.net/summits/pdmnotesmay09 and see what they're
cooking up. Like I said before, PHP6 isn't feature-complete, and I
don't suspect it's near it either, so it's definitely way premature to
write a book on PHP6 and silly to buy one.

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You all are speaking about the same...
But there is a good point you all are missing...

It has non sense to read a book about php6... but what about to sell a php6
book?
Hey! we are up to today! All the php5 book's are outdated. That's probably
what editors thought when they decide to edit that book.

Anyway... I'll like to read a book of how php6 was born, what was the
challenges, and how the community have worked to get this product in the
market.

There must be someone that has anything to say about this? That'll be a very
interesant book to read

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Eddie Drapkin wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Ashley Sheridan
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 20:16 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
> >> Don't be so pedantic. PHP 6 does not exist in a live, production-ready
> >> version. It is still under development and has not even reached the beta
> >> stage. Anyone who writes a book which documents the features of PHP 6 is
> >> being very premature as those features may change at any moment. The
> >> features will not be frozen until the first GA release.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tony Marston
> >> http://www.tonymarston.net
> >> http://www.radicore.org
> >>
> >> "Ashley Sheridan" wrote in message
> >> news:1249585209.2818.0.camel@localhost...
> >> > On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 17:24 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
> >> >> PHP 6 does not exist yet,
> >> >
> >> > Funny, that's not what the PHP site says:
> >> >
> >> > http://snaps.php.net/
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Ash
> >> > http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > What I'm trying to say is that writing a book is not premature, as the
> > feature list is likely not to change much, if at all. So what makes you
> > think it is premature of the authors?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ash
> > http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
> >
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>
> I'd be surprised if the feature stays the same at all. Just take a
> look at http://wiki.php.net/summits/pdmnotesmay09 and see what they're
> cooking up. Like I said before, PHP6 isn't feature-complete, and I
> don't suspect it's near it either, so it's definitely way premature to
> write a book on PHP6 and silly to buy one.
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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

Eddie Drapkin wrote:

>>
>
> Does no one see the inherent issues in buying a book about a
> not-feature-complete version of the language?
>

Technically no version of php is feature complete until the next major
release.

php 5.2.10 has stuff 5.2.5 didn't, 5.3.0 has stuff 5.2.x didn't, etc.

But yeah, I agree. Develop for php 6 now and almost no one can use your
code on a production server.

However, knowing the direction php is going may allow you to code for
php 5.x in such a way that make migration to php 6 that takes full
advantage of php 6 easier.

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

Hi all. I monitor this list and occasionally contribute as an amateur so
please forgive a question that might seem terribly obvious to those in the
know.

I'm confused about all this PHP 6 talk. Until now I thought I was right up
there, because I worked with PHP 5.29 and was ready to upgrade to 5.3.

How does it happen that PHP 5.3 has just been released, but books already
exist about PHP 6 ?

I searched google and so on, but still can't really work out how the PHP
development cycle works. Given that PHP 6 exists, does that mean I'm "behind
the times" working with 5.29 or 5.3?

I only just figured out that I can get the internet on my *computer*. Up
until now I'd just been accessing it with a pencil and paper but the
computer version is so much better!


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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

Angus Mann wrote:
> Hi all. I monitor this list and occasionally contribute as an amateur so
> please forgive a question that might seem terribly obvious to those in the
> know.
>
> I'm confused about all this PHP 6 talk. Until now I thought I was right up
> there, because I worked with PHP 5.29 and was ready to upgrade to 5.3.
>
> How does it happen that PHP 5.3 has just been released, but books already
> exist about PHP 6 ?
>
> I searched google and so on, but still can't really work out how the PHP
> development cycle works. Given that PHP 6 exists, does that mean I'm
> "behind
> the times" working with 5.29 or 5.3?
>
> I only just figured out that I can get the internet on my *computer*. Up
> until now I'd just been accessing it with a pencil and paper but the
> computer version is so much better!
>

PHP is open source software.
The development branch (what will be released as php 6) is thus open to
the public.

It will be quite some time before php 6 becomes common on production
servers, even after it becomes the stable branch.

php 5.3 is the current _stable_ release, but few if any production
servers actually run it - you are much more likely to find php 5.2.x or
php 5.1.x on current production servers.

Red Hat Enterprise Linux, for example, ships with php 5.1.x branch -
though the next version of RHEL will likely have php 5.2.x (but probably
will NOT have php 5.3.x and certainly not php 6).

Hope that helps.

btw, what's this getting the internet on your computer bit.
Are you telling me my IBM punch cards are outdated?

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

Thanks to the OP for the interest in the book and to everyone else for
their input. So here's what happened, from the writer/horse's mouth:
It was time to write an update to the book because the second edition
had been out for 3+ years or so, I think. It wasn't a money-making
effort (i.e., get people to buy another copy) but rather a touch-up to
make sure it's current enough. I had to make some decisions about what
versions to support; the previous edition supported both PHP 4 and 5.
PHP 6 was more than 50% complete at the time I started writing it and
I thought the Unicode support was a pretty big deal, this being an
ever-increasing global web...marketplace...blah...blah...blah. So I
wanted to start thinking along those lines and as I didn't know when
the fourth edition of the book would be written, I thought I'd get an
early jump on PHP 6. Yes, PHP 6 wasn't nearly finalized at the time
and no hosting companies were using it, but many hosting companies are
still using PHP 4 and PHP 6 *is* available for playing around with. So
that was my reasoning. In the end, only a bit more than one chapter
_requires_ PHP 6 and I do like looking a bit into the future of Web
development and PHP. Also, as I don't discuss OOP in this book (gasp!,
I leave that to my more advanced PHP book because a decent discussion
of OOP requires at least 150 pages and I'd need to cut out more
important topics to include it in this book), some of the features
being discussed in PHP 6 weren't problematic for the book one way or
the other (like namespaces, which ended up on PHP 5.3). Again, the
Unicode support was my main thinking.

Two years later, had I known PHP 6 still wouldn't be out, I probably
wouldn't have touched it at all and I do feel a bit sheepish about
having a book out there on PHP 6 when PHP 6 isn't out there (for
production purposes), but these things do happen to books,
particularly with open-source projects that have no need to adhere to
deadlines. Still, I would like to think that at worst, 10% of the
material isn't usable today on production servers but still has a
philosophical benefit. To atone for my prematurity, I do try to
support the book as much as possible, I try to talk about all this
versioning stuff in publish ways (like on the Amazon page for the
book), and I don't think there's anything wrong with someone buying
the second edition if they're a bit concerned about the PHP 6 thing.
(In theory, I guess someone could, um, buy another writer's book, but
I prefer to plead ignorance of such outcomes.) We--the publisher and
I--also did consciously change the title of the book from "PHP and
MySQL for Dynamic..." to "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic..." to
indicate the distinctions being made.

Sorry for the length, but I hope that helps. And thanks again.
Larry

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RE: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

Tony Marston wrote:
> Don't be so pedantic. PHP 6 does not exist in a live, production-ready
> version. It is still under development and has not even reached the beta
> stage. Anyone who writes a book which documents the features of PHP 6 is
> being very premature as those features may change at any moment. The
> features will not be frozen until the first GA release.

Actually has anybody seen a copy of the book? Does it cover anything other
than the original roadmap for PHP6? It certainly will not have any correct
examples for 'namespace' since they were not even documented at the end of
2007 ( I assume that the book took more than a few months to update an print
in April 2008 )

Of cause the debate needs to be 'What is holding up an alpha release of PHP6'.
Much of the talk some years ago WAS of that happening 2007/8 and at that time
I had been running a PHP6 development machine for some time. It's probably 2
years since I updated it, since there was little point in doing any more
testing at present?

As far as I am aware the hold-up is still as to whether PHP6 should simply be
native Unicode? My personal view is that this IS the correct way forward and
that PHP5.?.? remains as the single byte character version in parallel? Even
though 'English' is the only language I use, my customers are world wide, and
while Unicode character strings can be handled quite happily in PHP5, the
simple fact that you have to ask 'is this Unicode' and use a different set of
functions should not be a factor nowadays?

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Re: "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites" Book

Hi Larry,

nice to have a comment from the editor, and I want to say thanks for writing
this book.

however this discussion was initiated by a newbie asking what book he should
use to learn php. ur book is important to the community of php freaks ! it
saved my time to see where the path is going through ! without reading and
surving on the web about the php6 branch. i do have ur book on 4 and 5 as
well and the new book i could just use to overfly the php6 related parts and
i was in the picture what COULD happen.
thanks for ur work.

however, for a newbie ? he would wonder why his production server tells him
about parse errors of unknown construction, because its 5,x

as I said earlier, "learning a family starting with a baby", however if you
are familiar with the family, you should get to know the new baby.

ralph_deffke@yahoo.de

"Larry Ullman" wrote in message
news:0C4DE4E7-8169-4477-8D70-25CCA96EBBB9@DMCInsights.com...
> Thanks to the OP for the interest in the book and to everyone else for
> their input. So here's what happened, from the writer/horse's mouth:
> It was time to write an update to the book because the second edition
> had been out for 3+ years or so, I think. It wasn't a money-making
> effort (i.e., get people to buy another copy) but rather a touch-up to
> make sure it's current enough. I had to make some decisions about what
> versions to support; the previous edition supported both PHP 4 and 5.
> PHP 6 was more than 50% complete at the time I started writing it and
> I thought the Unicode support was a pretty big deal, this being an
> ever-increasing global web...marketplace...blah...blah...blah. So I
> wanted to start thinking along those lines and as I didn't know when
> the fourth edition of the book would be written, I thought I'd get an
> early jump on PHP 6. Yes, PHP 6 wasn't nearly finalized at the time
> and no hosting companies were using it, but many hosting companies are
> still using PHP 4 and PHP 6 *is* available for playing around with. So
> that was my reasoning. In the end, only a bit more than one chapter
> _requires_ PHP 6 and I do like looking a bit into the future of Web
> development and PHP. Also, as I don't discuss OOP in this book (gasp!,
> I leave that to my more advanced PHP book because a decent discussion
> of OOP requires at least 150 pages and I'd need to cut out more
> important topics to include it in this book), some of the features
> being discussed in PHP 6 weren't problematic for the book one way or
> the other (like namespaces, which ended up on PHP 5.3). Again, the
> Unicode support was my main thinking.
>
> Two years later, had I known PHP 6 still wouldn't be out, I probably
> wouldn't have touched it at all and I do feel a bit sheepish about
> having a book out there on PHP 6 when PHP 6 isn't out there (for
> production purposes), but these things do happen to books,
> particularly with open-source projects that have no need to adhere to
> deadlines. Still, I would like to think that at worst, 10% of the
> material isn't usable today on production servers but still has a
> philosophical benefit. To atone for my prematurity, I do try to
> support the book as much as possible, I try to talk about all this
> versioning stuff in publish ways (like on the Amazon page for the
> book), and I don't think there's anything wrong with someone buying
> the second edition if they're a bit concerned about the PHP 6 thing.
> (In theory, I guess someone could, um, buy another writer's book, but
> I prefer to plead ignorance of such outcomes.) We--the publisher and
> I--also did consciously change the title of the book from "PHP and
> MySQL for Dynamic..." to "PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic..." to
> indicate the distinctions being made.
>
> Sorry for the length, but I hope that helps. And thanks again.
> Larry



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At 10:11 PM -0400 8/6/09, Larry Ullman wrote:
>-snip-
>
>Sorry for the length, but I hope that helps. And thanks again.
>Larry

Larry:

No, thank you for your most excellent books -- I think I've purchased
every one one you've written. They have helped me.

Cheers,

tedd

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