so guys
why u don't discuss Martins outcome?
is there no advice, idears?
isn't there a need for it?
nobody want to use it?
I WANT TO LEARN
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Ralph Deffke wrote:
> so guys
>
> why u don't discuss Martins outcome?
> is there no advice, idears?
> isn't there a need for it?
> nobody want to use it?
>
> I WANT TO LEARN
Maybe it's your grasp of the English language, maybe not. But I detect
an air of aggression to your posts.
ARE YOU JUST TROLLING?
Cheers,
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On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Ralph Deffke
> so guys
>
> why u don't discuss Martins outcome?
> is there no advice, idears?
> isn't there a need for it?
> nobody want to use it?
>
> I WANT TO LEARN
>
> ralph_deffke@yahoo.de
>
>
>
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I was following the entirely conversation, I must admit I wasn't expecting
such thread.
It is not common to see design patterns applied to PHP applications and, is
more common to don't see PHP applications. They are just scripts. Many
scripts in a simple folder puts together to do the dirty work.
Of course there are many kicking-ass PHP Applications, but they are a
minimum portion compared to old-fashioned scripts.
So, how do we start writing good quality PHP Applications? That's a very
good question, and I don't know the answer, but I think by talking about
design patterns we are in a good way.
It's true that using design patterns the code will run slower, but it'll be
flexible, maintable, and the most important: simple.
After all that's what we are looking for, something really simple that make
our life as developers happier every day. How do you explain the crescent
number of php frameworks for rapid development?
PHP core team has taken OOP seriously.
Do you note the new SPL objects? The core team creates those objects using
many designs patterns.
By example the RecursiveDirectoryIterator and it's family use the decorator
pattern.
Also features such as "late static binding" were added because a design
pattern.
I think there will be some "separation" in the community, those who will
stay using scripts and those who will use heavily OOP. I do not know who the
"dark side" will be, xD
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well u got to know me personal, however may be u mix it with sarcasm?
may be I can't express that as good as I want in english.
if u follow the posts didn't some put me in the stupid corner?
I think its legal to ask why the question of Martin are not discussed.
and I still think, my question what he want to accomplish still is legal and
reasonable.
Many posts said, code done with design pattern framework are easy to
maintain and understand.
I ask u; is Martins work easy to understand? he put a lot of effort, but
with even design pattern it comes to the point of a good presentation. not
all people are the top smartest.
as u may have realised, he changed the presentation already and is coming up
with a more overview like documentation.
he is realy working hard, and I can't wait to see what benefit I could have
from his work what size of project it is worth for.
he deserves that design pattern experts comment his work.
ralph_deffke@yahoo.de
"Robert Cummings"
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> Ralph Deffke wrote:
> > so guys
> >
> > why u don't discuss Martins outcome?
> > is there no advice, idears?
> > isn't there a need for it?
> > nobody want to use it?
> >
> > I WANT TO LEARN
>
> Maybe it's your grasp of the English language, maybe not. But I detect
> an air of aggression to your posts.
>
> ARE YOU JUST TROLLING?
>
> Cheers,
> Rob.
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> Application and Templating Framework for PHP
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Hi Martin,
thanks for ur efforts, this is a lot of good work.
for my opinion the start is a bit too much theoretical and valid for all
type of application. In simple words, u are too close to the book.
I would love to have something closer to the purpose of PHP
and its applications.
if u have a look at the SMARTY documentation u have good explanation (and a
bad example by the way concerned oop) what are the real world problem.
When it comes to the final u find the most spagetti code in putting the page
grafic designer toghether with the business logic.
It would be great if this could be put in good oop patterns. As I can not
see that with the little amount of time I have got, p l e a s e tell me what
will come up on this edge?
ralph_deffke@yahoo.de
"Martin Scotta"
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> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Ralph Deffke
wrote:
>
> > so guys
> >
> > why u don't discuss Martins outcome?
> > is there no advice, idears?
> > isn't there a need for it?
> > nobody want to use it?
> >
> > I WANT TO LEARN
> >
> > ralph_deffke@yahoo.de
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
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> >
> >
>
> I was following the entirely conversation, I must admit I wasn't expecting
> such thread.
>
> It is not common to see design patterns applied to PHP applications and,
is
> more common to don't see PHP applications. They are just scripts. Many
> scripts in a simple folder puts together to do the dirty work.
>
> Of course there are many kicking-ass PHP Applications, but they are a
> minimum portion compared to old-fashioned scripts.
>
> So, how do we start writing good quality PHP Applications? That's a very
> good question, and I don't know the answer, but I think by talking about
> design patterns we are in a good way.
>
> It's true that using design patterns the code will run slower, but it'll
be
> flexible, maintable, and the most important: simple.
> After all that's what we are looking for, something really simple that
make
> our life as developers happier every day. How do you explain the crescent
> number of php frameworks for rapid development?
>
> PHP core team has taken OOP seriously.
> Do you note the new SPL objects? The core team creates those objects using
> many designs patterns.
> By example the RecursiveDirectoryIterator and it's family use the
decorator
> pattern.
> Also features such as "late static binding" were added because a design
> pattern.
>
> I think there will be some "separation" in the community, those who will
> stay using scripts and those who will use heavily OOP. I do not know who
the
> "dark side" will be, xD
>
>
> --
> Martin Scotta
>
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On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Ralph Deffke
> Hi Martin,
>
> thanks for ur efforts, this is a lot of good work.
>
> for my opinion the start is a bit too much theoretical and valid for all
> type of application. In simple words, u are too close to the book.
>
> I would love to have something closer to the purpose of PHP
> and its applications.
>
> if u have a look at the SMARTY documentation u have good explanation (and a
> bad example by the way concerned oop) what are the real world problem.
>
> When it comes to the final u find the most spagetti code in putting the page
> grafic designer toghether with the business logic.
>
> It would be great if this could be put in good oop patterns. As I can not
> see that with the little amount of time I have got, p l e a s e tell me what
> will come up on this edge?
>
> ralph_deffke@yahoo.de
>
>
> "Martin Scotta"
> news:6445d94e0908131322w722a37bbi24983ae143c5d89f@mail.gmail .com...
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Ralph Deffke
> wrote:
>>
>> > so guys
>> >
>> > why u don't discuss Martins outcome?
>> > is there no advice, idears?
>> > isn't there a need for it?
>> > nobody want to use it?
>> >
>> > I WANT TO LEARN
>> >
>> > ralph_deffke@yahoo.de
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
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>> >
>> >
>>
>> I was following the entirely conversation, I must admit I wasn't expecting
>> such thread.
>>
>> It is not common to see design patterns applied to PHP applications and,
> is
>> more common to don't see PHP applications. They are just scripts. Many
>> scripts in a simple folder puts together to do the dirty work.
>>
>> Of course there are many kicking-ass PHP Applications, but they are a
>> minimum portion compared to old-fashioned scripts.
>>
>> So, how do we start writing good quality PHP Applications? That's a very
>> good question, and I don't know the answer, but I think by talking about
>> design patterns we are in a good way.
>>
>> It's true that using design patterns the code will run slower, but it'll
> be
>> flexible, maintable, and the most important: simple.
>> After all that's what we are looking for, something really simple that
> make
>> our life as developers happier every day. How do you explain the crescent
>> number of php frameworks for rapid development?
>>
>> PHP core team has taken OOP seriously.
>> Do you note the new SPL objects? The core team creates those objects using
>> many designs patterns.
>> By example the RecursiveDirectoryIterator and it's family use the
> decorator
>> pattern.
>> Also features such as "late static binding" were added because a design
>> pattern.
>>
>> I think there will be some "separation" in the community, those who will
>> stay using scripts and those who will use heavily OOP. I do not know who
> the
>> "dark side" will be, xD
>>
>>
>> --
>> Martin Scotta
>>
>
>
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L - O - L. Little time you've got? I just glanced at the list and
you seem to have a lot of time typing up incoherent messages. I would
suggest reading some books on programming architecture instead of
typing out all sorts of silly emails that don't make any sense. As it
turns out, if you know how to program in theory, the language itself
becomes moot. Bai!
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