preempt_disable() as synchronization tool

Hi List,

I have few queries related to preempt_disable() and would appreciate
any answers to it.

Firstly, Does preempt_disable() disable the preemption on all the
processors or on just the local processor?

Secondly, a preempt_disable() a suffifient synchronization technique
to guard a data that is shared only among process context code on a
Uni-processor? And on SMP?

Lastly, is it allowable to schedule / sleep immediately after a call
to preempt_disable()?

Thanks & Best Regards,

Dan
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Re: preempt_disable() as synchronization tool

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Daniel Rodrick wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> I have few queries related to preempt_disable() and would appreciate
> any answers to it.
>
> Firstly, Does preempt_disable() disable the preemption on all the
> processors or on just the local processor?

I guess just local processor as the preempt count is maintained in
current thread_info struct. Correct me if I am wrong here.

>
> Secondly, a preempt_disable() a sufficient synchronization technique
> to guard a data that is shared only among process context code on a
> Uni-processor? And on SMP?

It is sufficient only in case of uni-processor (Actually spin_lock
also just disables preemption in case of uni-processor)

>
> Lastly, is it allowable to schedule / sleep immediately after a call
> to preempt_disable()?

No I guess kernel will panic with some error like , "scheduling while
in Atomic Context".

>
> Thanks & Best Regards,
>
> Dan
>
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Re: preempt_disable() as synchronization tool

> >
> > Lastly, is it allowable to schedule / sleep immediately after a call
> > to preempt_disable()?
>
> No I guess kernel will panic with some error like , "scheduling while
> in Atomic Context".

Sorry, I somehow missed out reading this. Can you let me know why its
not possible to schedule within preempt_disable() and preempt_enable()?
>From the code the schedule functions starts by disabling preemption?
Thanks in advance. - Anil

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Re: preempt_disable() as synchronization tool

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:16 AM, askb wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Lastly, is it allowable to schedule / sleep immediately after a call
>> > to preempt_disable()?
>>
>> No I guess kernel will panic with some error like , "scheduling while
>> in Atomic Context".
>
> Sorry, I somehow missed out reading this. Can you let me know why its
> not possible to schedule within preempt_disable() and preempt_enable()?
> >From the code the schedule functions starts by disabling preemption?
> Thanks in advance. - Anil
>
>

Because, preempt_disable increments the preempt count and before
scheduling the next task, schedule() function checks for the preempt
count for the previous task. If its greater than 0 then it will throw
an error "BUG: scheduling while atomic:"

-Vinit
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Re: preempt_disable() as synchronization tool

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 07:30:08AM +0530, vinit dhatrak wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Daniel Rodrick wrote:
> > Hi List,
> >
> > I have few queries related to preempt_disable() and would appreciate
> > any answers to it.
> >
> > Firstly, Does preempt_disable() disable the preemption on all the
> > processors or on just the local processor?
>
> I guess just local processor as the preempt count is maintained in
> current thread_info struct. Correct me if I am wrong here.



Yeah, once you disable the preemption, the current task will stay
on the current cpu until you reenable preemption.

So no other task can be scheduled in this cpu until it's reenabled.


> >
> > Secondly, a preempt_disable() a sufficient synchronization technique
> > to guard a data that is shared only among process context code on a
> > Uni-processor? And on SMP?
>
> It is sufficient only in case of uni-processor (Actually spin_lock
> also just disables preemption in case of uni-processor)
> >
> > Lastly, is it allowable to schedule / sleep immediately after a call
> > to preempt_disable()?
>
> No I guess kernel will panic with some error like , "scheduling while
> in Atomic Context".


It won't panic but it won't be happy either :-) You'll get the warning
message but things will continue to go ahead...badly...

In most cases, disabling preemption is done when you need to manipulate
per cpu data and then you don't want to be preempted in the middle and
risk to be scheduled in another cpu, or let another task touch the same
cpu data while you were in the middle of your work. That's why it warns
when you voluntarily schedule while you have disabled preemption, because
you are supposed to be manipulating per cpu data and it's dangerous.


> >
> > Thanks & Best Regards,
> >
> > Dan
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Re: preempt_disable() as synchronization tool

http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.31/Documentation/preempt-loc king.txt


2009/10/9 Daniel Rodrick :
> Hi List,
>
> I have few queries related to preempt_disable() and would appreciate
> any answers to it.
>
> Firstly, Does preempt_disable() disable the preemption on all the
> processors or on just the local processor?
>
> Secondly, a preempt_disable() a suffifient synchronization technique
> to guard a data that is shared only among process context code on a
> Uni-processor? And on SMP?
>
> Lastly, is it allowable to schedule / sleep immediately after a call
> to preempt_disable()?
>
> Thanks & Best Regards,
>
> Dan
>
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