Create a screenshot of a website
Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 15:28:15 von resea soul
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Hi,
I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly.
Can you give me any suggestions.
Thank you
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RE: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 15:31:47 von Andrea Giammarchi
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What you see is what a browser engine renders for your eyes while what you =
can do with PHP is a snapshot of the source code.
Regards
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Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 15:33:20 von Robert Cummings
resea soul wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly.
> Can you give me any suggestions.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/khtml2png/
It might already be in your favourite Linux distro's repositories also.
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Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 15:40:47 von Robert Cummings
Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
> What you see is what a browser engine renders for your eyes while what you can do with PHP is a snapshot of the source code.
One should remember that PHP serves quite well both as a glue language
and as a wrapper language. There is no reason why you can't use PHP to
create a simple lib around something like khtml2png so that the
screenshot can be gathered on demand using simple PHP style function calls.
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Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 16:17:16 von Robert Cummings
resea soul wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> I checked the faq of their website. They say that I must have an an X
> session. I don't host myself my website.
> I want something that I can use only by using cpanel. What i want
> basically is allow the user to enter the url of a website. And the
> script must give him the image as output.
> Maybe the hosting company will agree to install something for me but i'm
> not sure that this tool can be integrated in php scripts. I don't see
> anything about how to do that in their website.
You will almost certainly have to use a third party service if you are
in such a limited environment. Most website screenshot engines hook into
an existing browser engine to produce the image. Rendering HTML is not a
trivial task, especially if it is to take into consideration the
numerous plugins that are fairly common on the internet (flash, java,
javascript, canvas, etc, etc).
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RE: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 16:17:25 von Andrea Giammarchi
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Rob=2C I agree=2C but you are suggesting is khtml2png which is cool=2C perf=
ect=2C fantastic=2C but it's not PHP=2C isn't it?
You ask me: I want a snap via PHP
I reply: well=2C I don't think such thing exists: a render engine entirely =
written in PHP and GD2
Maybe we should create one ...=20
Regards
> Date: Thu=2C 22 Oct 2009 09:40:47 -0400
> From: robert@interjinn.com
> To: an_red@hotmail.com
> CC: reseasoul@gmail.com=3B php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Create a screenshot of a website
>=20
> Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
> > What you see is what a browser engine renders for your eyes while what =
you can do with PHP is a snapshot of the source code.
>=20
> One should remember that PHP serves quite well both as a glue language=20
> and as a wrapper language. There is no reason why you can't use PHP to=20
> create a simple lib around something like khtml2png so that the=20
> screenshot can be gathered on demand using simple PHP style function call=
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> Rob.
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RE: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 16:20:01 von Andrea Giammarchi
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> > Thanks=2C
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> > I checked the faq of their website. They say that I must have an an X=
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> > session. I don't host myself my website.
> > I want something that I can use only by using cpanel. What i want=20
> > basically is allow the user to enter the url of a website. And the=20
> > script must give him the image as output.
Here we are ... you see Rob? :-)
What about an iframe if this is a user website preview?
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RE: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 16:22:13 von Ashley Sheridan
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On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 16:17 +0200, Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
> Rob, I agree, but you are suggesting is khtml2png which is cool, perfect, fantastic, but it's not PHP, isn't it?
>
> You ask me: I want a snap via PHP
> I reply: well, I don't think such thing exists: a render engine entirely written in PHP and GD2
>
> Maybe we should create one ...
>
> Regards
>
> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:40:47 -0400
> > From: robert@interjinn.com
> > To: an_red@hotmail.com
> > CC: reseasoul@gmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net
> > Subject: Re: [PHP] Create a screenshot of a website
> >
> > Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
> > > What you see is what a browser engine renders for your eyes while what you can do with PHP is a snapshot of the source code.
> >
> > One should remember that PHP serves quite well both as a glue language
> > and as a wrapper language. There is no reason why you can't use PHP to
> > create a simple lib around something like khtml2png so that the
> > screenshot can be gathered on demand using simple PHP style function calls.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rob.
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GD is just a library that PHP uses, in a similar way that you'd be
utilising what khtml2png can do through PHP. What you just said doesn't
make much sense.
Thanks,
Ash
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RE: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 16:28:39 von Andrea Giammarchi
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> GD is just a library that PHP uses=2C in a similar way that you'd be
> utilising what khtml2png can do through PHP. What you just said doesn't
> make much sense.
except I cannot find anything in both php.net and pecl websites
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Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 16:31:21 von Robert Cummings
Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> I checked the faq of their website. They say that I must have an an X
>>> session. I don't host myself my website.
>>> I want something that I can use only by using cpanel. What i want
>>> basically is allow the user to enter the url of a website. And the
>>> script must give him the image as output.
>
> Here we are ... you see Rob? :-)
>
> What about an iframe if this is a user website preview?
If you have khtml2png2 on your system then using PHP you can do the
following:
$command =
'khtml2png2'
.' -b'
.' -w 1024'
.' --get-body'
.' "http://www.interjinn.com"'
.' interjinn.png';
exec( $command );
?>
I fail to see how this is not a PHP solution. This should have been
obvious when I said PHP makes an excellent glue/wrapper language.
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Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 16:33:13 von Robert Cummings
Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> I checked the faq of their website. They say that I must have an an X
>>> session. I don't host myself my website.
>>> I want something that I can use only by using cpanel. What i want
>>> basically is allow the user to enter the url of a website. And the
>>> script must give him the image as output.
>
> Here we are ... you see Rob? :-)
>
> What about an iframe if this is a user website preview?
I see you are being rather obtuse :|
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RE: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 16:54:43 von Network Admin
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Subject: [PHP] Create a screenshot of a website
Hi,
I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly.
Can you give me any suggestions.
Thank you
Hi,
If a windows web server is being used, we've had very good results with the
activex control (use via COM within PHP5) from
http://www.acasystems.com/en/web-thumb-activex/
The developer is very responsive to bug reports / feature suggestions. Full
PHP example code is given for all functions as well.
HTH
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RE: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 17:21:33 von Andrea Giammarchi
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> I see you are being rather obtuse :|
I use system/shell calls without problems if there is the lib I need.
The problem here is that the question was=2C in my opinion=2C the classic: =
how to assign javascript var to php (directly)
Indeed he is trying to find a PHP solution=2C of course with third parts li=
braries you can do whatever you want=2C but this is not the case.
Good suggestion=2C not applicable since the question was different=2C so ma=
ybe I've been obtuse reading the question ... still good suggestion.
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Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 17:24:11 von Robert Cummings
Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
>
> > I see you are being rather obtuse :|
>
> I use system/shell calls without problems if there is the lib I need.
> The problem here is that the question was, in my opinion, the classic:
> how to assign javascript var to php (directly)
>
> Indeed he is trying to find a PHP solution, of course with third parts
> libraries you can do whatever you want, but this is not the case.
>
> Good suggestion, not applicable since the question was different, so
> maybe I've been obtuse reading the question ... still good suggestion.
Given the knowledge (or extremely likely probability) of the
non-existence of a PHP only solution for generating website thumbnails
it follows that my suggestion was absolutely applicable.
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RE: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 17:29:18 von Andrea Giammarchi
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> Given the knowledge (or extremely likely probability) of the=20
> non-existence of a PHP only solution for generating website thumbnails=20
> it follows that my suggestion was absolutely applicable.
I have never said the opposite ... I have just said: pure PHP with standard=
core functions/libraries? No way so far
The right question would have been: do you know any third parts library/web=
service able to get a snapshot?
In this case your suggestion would have been perfect :-)
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RE: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 17:33:25 von Ashley Sheridan
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On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 17:33 +0200, Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
>=20
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > If a windows web server is being used, we've had very good results with=
the
> > activex control (use via COM within PHP5) from
> > http://www.acasystems.com/en/web-thumb-activex/
> >=20
> > The developer is very responsive to bug reports / feature suggestions. =
Full
> > PHP example code is given for all functions as well.
>=20
> Now this is truly interesting, is there any particular reason it works on=
ly with windows web server? Any chance it could be somehow integrated via V=
M Virtual Images if the reason is driven Internet Explorer?
>=20
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Surely the clue to that question would be in the activex part?...
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RE: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 17:33:32 von Andrea Giammarchi
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> Hi=2C
>=20
> If a windows web server is being used=2C we've had very good results with=
the
> activex control (use via COM within PHP5) from
> http://www.acasystems.com/en/web-thumb-activex/
>=20
> The developer is very responsive to bug reports / feature suggestions. Fu=
ll
> PHP example code is given for all functions as well.
Now this is truly interesting=2C is there any particular reason it works on=
ly with windows web server? Any chance it could be somehow integrated via V=
M Virtual Images if the reason is driven Internet Explorer?
Regards
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Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 17:36:13 von Robert Cummings
Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
>
>> Given the knowledge (or extremely likely probability) of the
>> non-existence of a PHP only solution for generating website thumbnails
>> it follows that my suggestion was absolutely applicable.
>
> I have never said the opposite ... I have just said: pure PHP with standard core functions/libraries? No way so far
Yes you did, and I quote:
"Good suggestion, not applicable since the question was different"
You said "not applicable".... which is exactly the opposite of "applicable".
> The right question would have been: do you know any third parts library/webservice able to get a snapshot?
> In this case your suggestion would have been perfect :-)
The OP's original question was:
"I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on
the fly. Can you give me any suggestions."
He wanted a route to get a screenshot. he didn't say PHP only, he didn't
say third party, he just said "any suggestions"-- take careful note of
the word "ANY".
Now, if you don't mind, please stop spamming the poster's thread with
puerile argument.
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Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 17:38:58 von Robert Cummings
Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If a windows web server is being used, we've had very good results with the
>> activex control (use via COM within PHP5) from
>> http://www.acasystems.com/en/web-thumb-activex/
>>
>> The developer is very responsive to bug reports / feature suggestions. Full
>> PHP example code is given for all functions as well.
>
> Now this is truly interesting, is there any particular reason it works only with windows web server? Any chance it could be somehow integrated via VM Virtual Images if the reason is driven Internet Explorer?
Of course it can work with a virtual machine... but the OP already
indicated they want something that works with cpanel so to smack you
with your own childish arguments... this is not applicable... something
that is known at this stage of the thread.
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RE: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 17:39:19 von Network Admin
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From: Andrea Giammarchi [mailto:an_red@hotmail.com]
Sent: 22 October 2009 16:34
To: networkadmin@emarket2.com; php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: RE: [PHP] Create a screenshot of a website
> Hi,
>
> If a windows web server is being used, we've had very good results with
the
> activex control (use via COM within PHP5) from
> http://www.acasystems.com/en/web-thumb-activex/
>
> The developer is very responsive to bug reports / feature suggestions.
Full
> PHP example code is given for all functions as well.
Now this is truly interesting, is there any particular reason it works only
with windows web server? Any chance it could be somehow integrated via VM
Virtual Images if the reason is driven Internet Explorer?
Regards
That is a question you'd have to ask the developer I'm afraid. The only PHP
compatible interface is COM (which I'm pretty sure is windows only), so
you'd need to be running PHP on windows (IIRC).
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Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 17:46:10 von Robert Cummings
Jason wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrea Giammarchi [mailto:an_red@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 22 October 2009 16:34
> To: networkadmin@emarket2.com; php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: RE: [PHP] Create a screenshot of a website
>
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If a windows web server is being used, we've had very good results with
> the
>> activex control (use via COM within PHP5) from
>> http://www.acasystems.com/en/web-thumb-activex/
>>
>> The developer is very responsive to bug reports / feature suggestions.
> Full
>> PHP example code is given for all functions as well.
>
> Now this is truly interesting, is there any particular reason it works only
> with windows web server? Any chance it could be somehow integrated via VM
> Virtual Images if the reason is driven Internet Explorer?
>
> Regards
>
> That is a question you'd have to ask the developer I'm afraid. The only PHP
> compatible interface is COM (which I'm pretty sure is windows only), so
> you'd need to be running PHP on windows (IIRC).
It would be possible to have a linux webserver that uses a windows VM
proxy webserver to facilitate the COM request. This is not entire absurd
since generation of website screenshots can be quite processor intensive
so it might work well split it off to it's own machine (virtual or
physical).
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Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 22.10.2009 18:01:44 von Kim Madsen
resea soul wrote on 2009-10-22 15:28:
> Hi,
>
> I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly.
> Can you give me any suggestions.
Do you mean "I wanna make a screendump of _my_ website"? Then this is
for you: http://dk2.php.net/manual/en/function.imagegrabscreen.php - It
works with the COM interface on windows and therefore is a windows-only
function.
If you mean create a screendump of another website you don't have
control over i think that would require som GD coding, not sure if
that's possible with PHP only, most likely I would say no.
If you mean you wanna rip a website and use it in your own then there's
two functions to check:
readfile() which reads the whole site and outputs this again.
fopen() where you can read an URL line by line and easy do some
alterations to the line if you like.
I hope this will help you on the way.
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Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 28.10.2009 20:21:35 von Manuel Lemos
Hello,
on 10/22/2009 11:28 AM resea soul said the following:
> Hi,
>
> I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly.
> Can you give me any suggestions.
If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can
find a solution that works on Windows:
http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot
Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports PHP-Gtk:
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Re: Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 28.10.2009 20:24:44 von Robert Cummings
Manuel Lemos wrote:
> Hello,
>
> on 10/22/2009 11:28 AM resea soul said the following:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly.
>> Can you give me any suggestions.
>
> If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can
> find a solution that works on Windows:
>
> http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot
>
> Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports PHP-Gtk:
>
> http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot
It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone
vomited tabs and links :|
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Re: Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 28.10.2009 20:25:37 von Ashley Sheridan
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On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 15:24 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote:
> Manuel Lemos wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > on 10/22/2009 11:28 AM resea soul said the following:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly.
> >> Can you give me any suggestions.
> >
> > If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can
> > find a solution that works on Windows:
> >
> > http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot
> >
> > Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports PHP-Gtk:
> >
> > http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot
>
> It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone
> vomited tabs and links :|
>
> Cheers,
> Rob.
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Oh dear, it does look like that doesn't it!
Thanks,
Ash
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Re: Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 28.10.2009 20:49:43 von Manuel Lemos
Hello,
on 10/28/2009 05:24 PM Robert Cummings said the following:
>>> I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly.
>>> Can you give me any suggestions.
>>
>> If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can
>> find a solution that works on Windows:
>>
>> http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot
>>
>> Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports
>> PHP-Gtk:
>>
>> http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot
>
> It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone
> vomited tabs and links :|
I have no clue why you felt the need to be so aggressive.
Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you
participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just
complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP community?
You can earn prizes and start helping instead of just putting down what
others do.
http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/104-Submit-your-site-red esign-proposal-for-the-contest.html
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Re: Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 28.10.2009 21:16:50 von Robert Cummings
Manuel Lemos wrote:
> Hello,
>
> on 10/28/2009 05:24 PM Robert Cummings said the following:
>>>> I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly.
>>>> Can you give me any suggestions.
>>> If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can
>>> find a solution that works on Windows:
>>>
>>> http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot
>>>
>>> Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports
>>> PHP-Gtk:
>>>
>>> http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot
>> It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone
>> vomited tabs and links :|
>
> I have no clue why you felt the need to be so aggressive.
If I had called you names or made threats you could call me aggressive.
However, I merely stated my opinion.
> Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you
> participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just
> complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP community?
>
> You can earn prizes and start helping instead of just putting down what
> others do.
As much as would like to do so... I'm currently up to my eyeballs
steeped in work and 3 young children.
> http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/104-Submit-your-site-red esign-proposal-for-the-contest.html
Well there we go... if I had known such a thing existed I would have
kept mum on the issue... but here we are... and there you are... and...
LOOK A SQUIRREL *points over there*... *runs the other way*.
Anyways, aggression not intended, personal opinion merely provided in a
colourful manner.
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Re: Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 28.10.2009 21:37:32 von Paul M Foster
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 05:49:43PM -0200, Manuel Lemos wrote:
> Hello,
>
> on 10/28/2009 05:24 PM Robert Cummings said the following:
> >>> I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly.
> >>> Can you give me any suggestions.
> >>
> >> If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can
> >> find a solution that works on Windows:
> >>
> >> http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot
> >>
> >> Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports
> >> PHP-Gtk:
> >>
> >> http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot
> >
> > It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone
> > vomited tabs and links :|
>
> I have no clue why you felt the need to be so aggressive.
>
> Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you
> participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just
> complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP community?
>
> You can earn prizes and start helping instead of just putting down what
> others do.
>
> http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/104-Submit-your-site-red esign-proposal-for-the-contest.html
Here's a free suggestion. You don't even have to give me a prize. You
know those random words which are underlined on that page, and when you
mouse over them, you get the random advertisement on a completely
unrelated subject, which also emits a *sound* on my computer? Get rid of
them completely. They are beyond annoying. I get that you need to make
money with this site, but those obnoxious ads are the exact opposite
wrong way to do it.
Also, while I wouldn't have expressed it quite as crassly as Robert, I
have to agree on his evaluation of the site's look. I have a logon on
your site and have been to it many times. I just figured you liked it
like that. But in truth, it needs a serious and complete makeover. But
like Robert, I have no end of things to take care of, quite outside of
redisigning phpclasses.net. I'd suggest you scrap the contest and go
find a good free CSS template. But that's just me.
And just for the record, I'm really not ragging on you. PHPClasses.net
is the only site of its kind I know of. There is an endless variety of
code for almost anything you could want to do in PHP. That's why I
maintain a login there.
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Re: Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 28.10.2009 21:42:57 von Shawn McKenzie
Manuel Lemos wrote:
>>> http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot
>> It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone
>> vomited tabs and links :|
>
> I have no clue why you felt the need to be so aggressive.
>
> Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you
> participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just
> complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP community?
>
> You can earn prizes and start helping instead of just putting down what
> others do.
>
> http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/104-Submit-your-site-red esign-proposal-for-the-contest.html
>
Yeah Rob, put up or shut up! ;-)
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Re: Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 29.10.2009 00:30:30 von Manuel Lemos
Hello,
on 10/28/2009 06:37 PM Paul M Foster said the following:
>> Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you
>> participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just
>> complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP community?
>>
>> You can earn prizes and start helping instead of just putting down what
>> others do.
>>
>> http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/104-Submit-your-site-red esign-proposal-for-the-contest.html
>
> Here's a free suggestion. You don't even have to give me a prize. You
> know those random words which are underlined on that page, and when you
> mouse over them, you get the random advertisement on a completely
> unrelated subject, which also emits a *sound* on my computer? Get rid of
> them completely. They are beyond annoying. I get that you need to make
> money with this site, but those obnoxious ads are the exact opposite
> wrong way to do it.
I suppose you are not familiar with the site publishing business.
This site, like many other, is a relatively small site, with only 2
million page view a month.
If you do not have sites with at least 20 million page view a month, you
are considered a small publisher, so you do not have a bugdet to pay for
an advertising sales team. Therefore you need to work with ad agencies
with take a big cut to sell ad space to advertisers.
Those ads you see are placed by agencies like that. They were supposed
to be contextual, so they would be relevant and related with the site
content. If they do not look relevant is because that is the advertisers
they are getting now.
We are still in the middle of a big crisis that will probably not end
before 2012. Many governments are saying they have exited the crisis,
but I am afraid that is just wishful thinking with the purpose of
spreading optimism and help recovering the market.
If the ads you see are not very related, that means that the related
advertising have closed their business or are afraid to spend.
Unfortunately, we small site owners need to be patient and wait for the
market to return.
> Also, while I wouldn't have expressed it quite as crassly as Robert, I
> have to agree on his evaluation of the site's look. I have a logon on
> your site and have been to it many times. I just figured you liked it
> like that. But in truth, it needs a serious and complete makeover. But
> like Robert, I have no end of things to take care of, quite outside of
> redisigning phpclasses.net. I'd suggest you scrap the contest and go
> find a good free CSS template. But that's just me.
That would not solve anything. The vast majority of the users does not
really care. The problem is that those that care always want something
different that changes every year.
Picking up any other template will not solve any problem. Complainers
will keep complaining, probably forever.
The point of the contest is to let those that are sensitive to design
issues to propose something they believe it is better, instead of just
complaining.
It is impossible to please everybody. Whatever design will win, there
will always be people complaining. To make sure the change will be more
liked than disliking it, I am making it democratic. People that care
will decide.
This way complainers will not have anymore excuse to blame the site for
not having a better design. The majority decides. I will be like
Pilates, I will wash my hands, and pay the prizes, of course.
The main prize is not huge, but it is not cheap either. USD $3,000, a
big elePHPant and a lifetime premium subscription. Runner ups will also
get prizes from sponsors.
http://www.phpclasses.org/award/design/
So, now it is not time to complain. If you care about the site and the
current design bugs you, this is your chance to propose something better
and even earn prizes.
The submission period will last till the end of November. If you are
interested, you may start here:
http://www.phpclasses.org/design.html
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RE: Re: Create a screenshot of a website
am 29.10.2009 14:08:15 von Bob McConnell
From: Paul M Foster
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 05:49:43PM -0200, Manuel Lemos wrote:
>> on 10/28/2009 05:24 PM Robert Cummings said the following:
>> >
>> > It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone
>> > vomited tabs and links :|
>>=20
>> I have no clue why you felt the need to be so aggressive.
>>=20
>> Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you
>> participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just
>> complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP
community?
> Here's a free suggestion. You don't even have to give me a prize. You
> know those random words which are underlined on that page, and when
you
> mouse over them, you get the random advertisement on a completely
> unrelated subject, which also emits a *sound* on my computer? Get rid
of
> them completely. They are beyond annoying. I get that you need to make
> money with this site, but those obnoxious ads are the exact opposite
> wrong way to do it.
When I first looked at the site, I did not see any of these problems.
But then I took a look at the page source and quickly figured out I
already have the solution.
1. Install Firefox.
2. Install the NoScript add-on.
3. Under NoScript options, clean out the default white list, removing
all of the .com sites.
4. Still in the options, on the Embedded tab, forbid everything except
iframes. But, then again, maybe you want to forbid iframes as well.
Then, as you browse, decide where and when to allow these features. I
always do it on a temporary basis per site, so they get disabled again
each time I start up the browser.
By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every
developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar to
'line 115 column 1 - Warning:
attribute "width" has invalid value
"49.5%"'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly
states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site
for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.)
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Re: Re: Create a screenshot of a websiteam 29.10.2009 14:24:46 von Robert Cummings
Bob McConnell wrote:
> By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every
> developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar to
> 'line 115 column 1 - Warning: attribute "width" has invalid value
> "49.5%"'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly
> states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site
> for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.)
Excellent, thanks for the info.
Cheers,
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Re: Re: Create a screenshot of a websiteam 29.10.2009 16:30:41 von TedD
At 9:24 AM -0400 10/29/09, Robert Cummings wrote:
>Bob McConnell wrote:
>>By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every
>>developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar to
>>'line 115 column 1 - Warning: attribute "width" has invalid value
>>"49.5%"'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly
>>states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site
>>for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.)
>
>Excellent, thanks for the info.
>
>Cheers,
>Rob.
Rob:
I just bookmark the following in my browser:
javascript:void(document.location='http://validator.w3.org/c heck?uri='+document.location)
Then when I want to validate anything, I just use that bookmark.
Cheers,
tedd
PS: While I would not have said it like you did, but I agree with
your opinion as to the web site. It is confusing as to what's what?
Too much advertising, IMO.
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RE: Re: Create a screenshot of a websiteam 29.10.2009 16:38:13 von Bob McConnell
From: tedd
> At 9:24 AM -0400 10/29/09, Robert Cummings wrote:
>>Bob McConnell wrote:
>>>By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every
>>>developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar
to
>>>'line 115 column 1 - Warning: attribute "width" has invalid
value
>>>"49.5%"'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly
>>>states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site
>>>for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.)
>>
>>Excellent, thanks for the info.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Rob.
>=20
> Rob:
>=20
> I just bookmark the following in my browser:
>=20
>
javascript:void(document.location=3D'http://validator.w3.org /check?uri=3D=
'+d
ocument.location)
>=20
> Then when I want to validate anything, I just use that bookmark.
That doesn't work for servers inside our intranet, which are private and
therefore not accessible outside our firewalls or VPNs. That would
include all of our internal support, development and QA sites, as well
as my family's servers within the family VPN.
The HTML Validator add-on uses the same parsers as the w3c sites
however.
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Re: Re: Create a screenshot of a websiteam 29.10.2009 16:40:06 von Robert Cummings
tedd wrote:
> At 9:24 AM -0400 10/29/09, Robert Cummings wrote:
>> Bob McConnell wrote:
>>> By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every
>>> developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar to
>>> 'line 115 column 1 - Warning: attribute "width" has invalid value
>>> "49.5%"'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly
>>> states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site
>>> for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.)
>> Excellent, thanks for the info.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rob.
>
> Rob:
>
> I just bookmark the following in my browser:
>
> javascript:void(document.location='http://validator.w3.org/c heck?uri='+document.location)
>
> Then when I want to validate anything, I just use that bookmark.
I use the W3 validator all the time... but it's a pain in the rear
cutting and pasting the page source when the content is behind a
firewall or requires a user login. Additionally, some of the material I
work with requires clearance and it would be a breach of security for me
to paste it to a public site. If my evaluation of this plugin produces
no issues then it will be useful in my day to day job and from what I
see it is much MUCH more convenient than linking to the W3 site :)
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Re: Re: Create a screenshot of a websiteam 29.10.2009 16:50:21 von TedD
At 11:40 AM -0400 10/29/09, Robert Cummings wrote:
>tedd wrote:
>>At 9:24 AM -0400 10/29/09, Robert Cummings wrote:
>>>Bob McConnell wrote:
>>>>By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every
>>>>developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar to
>>>>'line 115 column 1 - Warning: attribute "width" has invalid value
>>>>"49.5%"'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly
>>>>states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site
>>>>for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.)
>>>Excellent, thanks for the info.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Rob.
>>
>>Rob:
>>
>>I just bookmark the following in my browser:
>>
>>javascript:void(document.location='http://validator.w3.org /check?uri='+document.location)
>>
>>Then when I want to validate anything, I just use that bookmark.
>
>I use the W3 validator all the time... but it's a pain in the rear
>cutting and pasting the page source when the content is behind a
>firewall or requires a user login. Additionally, some of the
>material I work with requires clearance and it would be a breach of
>security for me to paste it to a public site. If my evaluation of
>this plugin produces no issues then it will be useful in my day to
>day job and from what I see it is much MUCH more convenient than
>linking to the W3 site :)
>
>Cheers,
>Rob.
I see -- working from my environment is much simpler.
Cheers,
tedd
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