Oracle, Sun and MySQL

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European regulators agree with Monty that the Oracle-Sun deal threatens
database competition. Apparently Oracle means to play hardball. Meanwhile
Sun revenue fell 25% in 3rd quarter 2009; who else but an anti-competitive
giant would take a chance on buying Sun now? Story here:
http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displayStory.cfm?st ory_id=14840272&
source=features_box1.

PB

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Re: Oracle, Sun and MySQL

What I am more concerned about at the moment is how much the uncertainty
over the deal is hurting MySQL?

I was recently in a project planning meeting where MySQL was dismissed
completely because nobody could give guarantees about where MySQL was
going. There were a lot of concerns over where future development would
go and a fear that when the deal goes through Oracle may slowly raise
support and training costs to the sort of levels applicable to Oracle
database products. These kind of arguments seem impossible to counter
for as long as the uncertainty continues and I for one wish they would
just resolve the situation either way very quickly because its hurting
my business and open source software!

regards
John


On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 23:50 -0600, Peter Brawley wrote:
> European regulators agree with Monty that the Oracle-Sun deal threatens
> database competition. Apparently Oracle means to play hardball. Meanwhile
> Sun revenue fell 25% in 3rd quarter 2009; who else but an anti-competitive
> giant would take a chance on buying Sun now? Story here:
> http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displayStory.cfm?st ory_id=14840272&
> source=features_box1.
>
> PB


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Re: Oracle, Sun and MySQL

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I believe MySQL will still have great influence in Open Source area.
The better is that MySQL will be a separate Company which has no relation to
Sun and Oracle.
Maybe Oracle can sell MySQL to a 3rd company.

2009/11/11 John Daisley

> What I am more concerned about at the moment is how much the uncertainty
> over the deal is hurting MySQL?
>
> I was recently in a project planning meeting where MySQL was dismissed
> completely because nobody could give guarantees about where MySQL was
> going. There were a lot of concerns over where future development would
> go and a fear that when the deal goes through Oracle may slowly raise
> support and training costs to the sort of levels applicable to Oracle
> database products. These kind of arguments seem impossible to counter
> for as long as the uncertainty continues and I for one wish they would
> just resolve the situation either way very quickly because its hurting
> my business and open source software!
>
> regards
> John
>
>
> On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 23:50 -0600, Peter Brawley wrote:
> > European regulators agree with Monty that the Oracle-Sun deal threatens
> > database competition. Apparently Oracle means to play hardball. Meanwhile
> > Sun revenue fell 25% in 3rd quarter 2009; who else but an
> anti-competitive
> > giant would take a chance on buying Sun now? Story here:
> >
> http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displayStory.cfm?st ory_id=14840272&
> > source=features_box1.
> >
> > PB
>
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Re: Oracle, Sun and MySQL

On Nov 11, 2009, at 9:34 AM, John Daisley wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 23:50 -0600, Peter Brawley wrote:
>> European regulators agree with Monty that the Oracle-Sun deal =
threatens
>> database competition. Apparently Oracle means to play hardball. =
Meanwhile
>> Sun revenue fell 25% in 3rd quarter 2009; who else but an =
anti-competitive
>> giant would take a chance on buying Sun now? Story here:
>> =
http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displayStory.cfm?st ory_id=3D14840=
272&
>> source=3Dfeatures_box1.
> What I am more concerned about at the moment is how much the =
uncertainty
> over the deal is hurting MySQL?
>=20
> I was recently in a project planning meeting where MySQL was dismissed
> completely because nobody could give guarantees about where MySQL was
> going. There were a lot of concerns over where future development =
would
> go and a fear that when the deal goes through Oracle may slowly raise
> support and training costs to the sort of levels applicable to Oracle
> database products. These kind of arguments seem impossible to counter
> for as long as the uncertainty continues and I for one wish they would
> just resolve the situation either way very quickly because its hurting
> my business and open source software!

Please remember that there are 3rd parties offering MySQL support =
already now, outside of MySQL AB.

I'm pretty sure that should Oracle raise these prices, 3rd parties will =
take up that part of the market pretty quickly.



Liz=

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Re: Oracle, Sun and MySQL

> On Nov 11, 2009, at 9:34 AM, John Daisley wrote:
>> On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 23:50 -0600, Peter Brawley wrote:
>>> European regulators agree with Monty that the Oracle-Sun deal threatens
>>> database competition. Apparently Oracle means to play hardball.
>>> Meanwhile
>>> Sun revenue fell 25% in 3rd quarter 2009; who else but an
>>> anti-competitive
>>> giant would take a chance on buying Sun now? Story here:
>>> http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displayStory.cfm?st ory_id=14840272&
>>> source=features_box1.
>> What I am more concerned about at the moment is how much the uncertainty
>> over the deal is hurting MySQL?
>>
>> I was recently in a project planning meeting where MySQL was dismissed
>> completely because nobody could give guarantees about where MySQL was
>> going. There were a lot of concerns over where future development would
>> go and a fear that when the deal goes through Oracle may slowly raise
>> support and training costs to the sort of levels applicable to Oracle
>> database products. These kind of arguments seem impossible to counter
>> for as long as the uncertainty continues and I for one wish they would
>> just resolve the situation either way very quickly because its hurting
>> my business and open source software!
>
> Please remember that there are 3rd parties offering MySQL support already
> now, outside of MySQL AB.
>
> I'm pretty sure that should Oracle raise these prices, 3rd parties will
> take up that part of the market pretty quickly.
>
>
>
> Liz

I am aware of this Liz but corporate customers like to see support coming
from 'source'. There is also a bit of an unknown with 3rd party support
whereas MySQL's own support has a very good reputation and from personal
experience I know it to be second to none.

Regards
John

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Re: Oracle, Sun and MySQL

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Martin,

> What does monty say?

Monty made a submission to EU regulators. I can't find the URL just now.
One-line summary: "Letting Oracle have MySQL is worse than putting the
fox in charge of the henhouse..." (Florian Mueller,
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10379870-38.html).

Other URLs:
http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/10/press-release-concern ing-oraclesun.html
http://monty-says.blogspot.com/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10379870-38.html

PB
http://www.artfulsoftware.com

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> i too would like MySQL to stay OpenSource
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> purposes) without having to wait for the corporate leviathans 6 month
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> what does monty say?
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> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:48:28 +0000
> > Subject: Re: Oracle, Sun and MySQL
> > From: john@butterflysystems.co.uk
> > To: liz@dijkmat.nl
> > CC: john.daisley@butterflysystems.co.uk;
> peter.brawley@earthlink.net; mysql@lists.mysql.com
> >
> > > On Nov 11, 2009, at 9:34 AM, John Daisley wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 23:50 -0600, Peter Brawley wrote:
> > >>> European regulators agree with Monty that the Oracle-Sun deal
> threatens
> > >>> database competition. Apparently Oracle means to play hardball.
> > >>> Meanwhile
> > >>> Sun revenue fell 25% in 3rd quarter 2009; who else but an
> > >>> anti-competitive
> > >>> giant would take a chance on buying Sun now? Story here:
> > >>>
> http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displayStory.cfm?st ory_id=14840272&
> > >>> source=features_box1.
> > >> What I am more concerned about at the moment is how much the
> uncertainty
> > >> over the deal is hurting MySQL?
> > >>
> > >> I was recently in a project planning meeting where MySQL was
> dismissed
> > >> completely because nobody could give guarantees about where MySQL was
> > >> going. There were a lot of concerns over where future development
> would
> > >> go and a fear that when the deal goes through Oracle may slowly raise
> > >> support and training costs to the sort of levels applicable to Oracle
> > >> database products. These kind of arguments seem impossible to counter
> > >> for as long as the uncertainty continues and I for one wish they
> would
> > >> just resolve the situation either way very quickly because its
> hurting
> > >> my business and open source software!
> > >
> > > Please remember that there are 3rd parties offering MySQL support
> already
> > > now, outside of MySQL AB.
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure that should Oracle raise these prices, 3rd parties
> will
> > > take up that part of the market pretty quickly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Liz
> >
> > I am aware of this Liz but corporate customers like to see support
> coming
> > from 'source'. There is also a bit of an unknown with 3rd party support
> > whereas MySQL's own support has a very good reputation and from personal
> > experience I know it to be second to none.
> >
> > Regards
> > John
> >
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