is Aptana taking a crap on the face of PHP?

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Whoa, am I reading this right that Aptana is basically moving away from
PHP??

https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/suggestions/5 8-aptana-20
https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/questions/75- aptana-no-longer
-has-php
http://www.aptana.org/php

It sounds like they put in the old PHP 1.1 plug-in just to shut the angry
mob up, but I don't get the feeling they plan to do any further PHP
development. That is a real shame as Zend Studio NEEDS competition.

I guess PDT (http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/) may end up benefiting from this,
but I suspect it will be some time to come before the two projects are
merged properly. Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed that this *IS* the best
solution for the long term. In the mean time, I can't help but feel a piece
of the PHP community just "died"... well, maybe "moved away" is more
accurate.

I do find it a little ironic as I just started a new project on Monday and
was fully expecting to develop it all using Aptana. Guess I'll stick with
1.5 for now (warts and all).

How is PDT? I tried to install it with Aptana 1.5 and it failed:

Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not be
found.
Software being installed: PDT Runtime Feature 2.0.0.v20090315-1850
(org.eclipse.php.feature.group 2.0.0.v20090315-1850)
Missing requirement: PDT Runtime Feature 2.0.0.v20090315-1850
(org.eclipse.php.feature.group 2.0.0.v20090315-1850) requires
'org.eclipse.dltk.core.feature.group [1.0.0,2.0.0)' but it could not be
found

ooops, found my own solution to that one:
https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/problems/328- aptana-php-platf
orm-and-pdt-not-available
https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/faqs/third-party-plugins/ aptana-studio-an
d-php-development-tools

First impressions:

* The amazing color coding that Aptana had for PHP (down to individual
left and right braces even!) is gone!!!
* The PHP code formatter is also gone!!
* Code assist and completion is gone too for any functions NOT on the
current page. It doesn't even know the name of variables WITHIN a function!
THIS F'ING BLOWS.

Am I not doing something right? I mean, what the hell does PDT do actually
then? It can't be a v2.1 and this much pure failure can it?

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Re: is Aptana taking a crap on the face of PHP?

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You might want to check out NetBeans for PHP - It's very nice open source IDE

Best regards,
__
Raymond Irving




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From: Daevid Vincent
To: PHP General
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 7:55:56 PM
Subject: [PHP] is Aptana taking a crap on the face of PHP?

Whoa, am I reading this right that Aptana is basically moving away from
PHP??

https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/suggestions/5 8-aptana-20
https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/questions/75- aptana-no-longer
-has-php
http://www.aptana.org/php

It sounds like they put in the old PHP 1.1 plug-in just to shut the angry
mob up, but I don't get the feeling they plan to do any further PHP
development. That is a real shame as Zend Studio NEEDS competition.

I guess PDT (http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/) may end up benefiting from this,
but I suspect it will be some time to come before the two projects are
merged properly. Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed that this *IS* the best
solution for the long term. In the mean time, I can't help but feel a piece
of the PHP community just "died"... well, maybe "moved away" is more
accurate.

I do find it a little ironic as I just started a new project on Monday and
was fully expecting to develop it all using Aptana. Guess I'll stick with
1.5 for now (warts and all).

How is PDT? I tried to install it with Aptana 1.5 and it failed:

Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not be
found.
Software being installed: PDT Runtime Feature 2.0.0.v20090315-1850
(org.eclipse.php.feature.group 2.0.0.v20090315-1850)
Missing requirement: PDT Runtime Feature 2.0.0.v20090315-1850
(org.eclipse.php.feature.group 2.0.0.v20090315-1850) requires
'org.eclipse.dltk.core.feature.group [1.0.0,2.0.0)' but it could not be
found

ooops, found my own solution to that one:
https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/problems/328- aptana-php-platf
orm-and-pdt-not-available
https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/faqs/third-party-plugins/ aptana-studio-an
d-php-development-tools

First impressions:

* The amazing color coding that Aptana had for PHP (down to individual
left and right braces even!) is gone!!!
* The PHP code formatter is also gone!!
* Code assist and completion is gone too for any functions NOT on the
current page. It doesn't even know the name of variables WITHIN a function!
THIS F'ING BLOWS.

Am I not doing something right? I mean, what the hell does PDT do actually
then? It can't be a v2.1 and this much pure failure can it?

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Re: is Aptana taking a crap on the face of PHP?

I've never even heard of Aptana... I use Joe...it's a terminal based
editor. Works anywhere you have a terminal... just like other popular
editors such as vi :)

Cheers,
Rob.


Daevid Vincent wrote:
> Whoa, am I reading this right that Aptana is basically moving away from
> PHP??
>
> https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/suggestions/5 8-aptana-20
> https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/questions/75- aptana-no-longer
> -has-php
> http://www.aptana.org/php
>
> It sounds like they put in the old PHP 1.1 plug-in just to shut the angry
> mob up, but I don't get the feeling they plan to do any further PHP
> development. That is a real shame as Zend Studio NEEDS competition.
>
> I guess PDT (http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/) may end up benefiting from this,
> but I suspect it will be some time to come before the two projects are
> merged properly. Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed that this *IS* the best
> solution for the long term. In the mean time, I can't help but feel a piece
> of the PHP community just "died"... well, maybe "moved away" is more
> accurate.
>
> I do find it a little ironic as I just started a new project on Monday and
> was fully expecting to develop it all using Aptana. Guess I'll stick with
> 1.5 for now (warts and all).
>
> How is PDT? I tried to install it with Aptana 1.5 and it failed:
>
> Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not be
> found.
> Software being installed: PDT Runtime Feature 2.0.0.v20090315-1850
> (org.eclipse.php.feature.group 2.0.0.v20090315-1850)
> Missing requirement: PDT Runtime Feature 2.0.0.v20090315-1850
> (org.eclipse.php.feature.group 2.0.0.v20090315-1850) requires
> 'org.eclipse.dltk.core.feature.group [1.0.0,2.0.0)' but it could not be
> found
>
> ooops, found my own solution to that one:
> https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/problems/328- aptana-php-platf
> orm-and-pdt-not-available
> https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/faqs/third-party-plugins/ aptana-studio-an
> d-php-development-tools
>
> First impressions:
>
> * The amazing color coding that Aptana had for PHP (down to individual
> left and right braces even!) is gone!!!
> * The PHP code formatter is also gone!!
> * Code assist and completion is gone too for any functions NOT on the
> current page. It doesn't even know the name of variables WITHIN a function!
> THIS F'ING BLOWS.
>
> Am I not doing something right? I mean, what the hell does PDT do actually
> then? It can't be a v2.1 and this much pure failure can it?
>

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Re: is Aptana taking a crap on the face of PHP?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Robert Cummings wro=
te:
> I've never even heard of Aptana... I use Joe...it's a terminal based edit=
or.
> Works anywhere you have a terminal... just like other popular editors suc=
h
> as vi :)
>
> Cheers,
> Rob.
>
>
> Daevid Vincent wrote:
>>
>> Whoa, am I reading this right that Aptana is basically moving away from
>> PHP??
>> =A0https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/suggestion s/58-aptana-=
20
>>
>> https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/questions/75- aptana-no-lo=
nger
>> -has-php
>> http://www.aptana.org/php
>> =A0It sounds like they put in the old PHP 1.1 plug-in just to shut the a=
ngry
>> mob up, but I don't get the feeling they plan to do any further PHP
>> development. That is a real shame as Zend Studio NEEDS competition.
>> =A0I guess PDT (http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/) may end up benefiting from
>> this,
>> but I suspect it will be some time to come before the two projects are
>> merged properly. Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed that this *IS* the
>> best
>> solution for the long term. In the mean time, I can't help but feel a
>> piece
>> of the PHP community just "died"... well, maybe "moved away" is more
>> accurate.
>> =A0I do find it a little ironic as I just started a new project on Monda=
y
>> and
>> was fully expecting to develop it all using Aptana. Guess I'll stick wit=
h
>> 1.5 for now (warts and all).
>> =A0How is PDT? I tried to install it with Aptana 1.5 and it failed:
>> =A0Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could =
not
>> be
>> found.
>> =A0Software being installed: PDT Runtime Feature 2.0.0.v20090315-1850
>> (org.eclipse.php.feature.group 2.0.0.v20090315-1850)
>> =A0Missing requirement: PDT Runtime Feature 2.0.0.v20090315-1850
>> (org.eclipse.php.feature.group 2.0.0.v20090315-1850) requires
>> 'org.eclipse.dltk.core.feature.group [1.0.0,2.0.0)' but it could not be
>> found
>> =A0ooops, found my own solution to that one:
>>
>> https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/discussions/problems/328- aptana-php-p=
latf
>> orm-and-pdt-not-available
>>
>> https://aptanastudio.tenderapp.com/faqs/third-party-plugins/ aptana-studi=
o-an
>> d-php-development-tools
>> =A0First impressions:
>>
>> * =A0 =A0 =A0 The amazing color coding that Aptana had for PHP (down to
>> individual
>> left and right braces even!) is gone!!!
>> * =A0 =A0 =A0 The PHP code formatter is also gone!!
>> * =A0 =A0 =A0 Code assist and completion is gone too for any functions N=
OT on
>> the
>> current page. It doesn't even know the name of variables WITHIN a
>> function!
>> THIS F'ING BLOWS.
>>
>> Am I not doing something right? I mean, what the hell does PDT do actual=
ly
>> then? It can't be a v2.1 and this much pure failure can it?
>>
>
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Damn, meant to send to all

The issue here is that there are a lot of choices in the PHP space.
Eclipse, Aptana, Komodo, Zend, a host of various simpler text editors.
Aptana has chosen not to compete in this space and its their choice.
Personally, I use NetBeans or Komodo when I require something with a
bit of power. The biggest issue with IDEs that I have, is they are so
damn slow to start. Some of the smaller text editors are much quicker
to start and have most of what I need to do what we all have so much
fun doing.
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Re: is Aptana taking a crap on the face of PHP?

At 11:26 PM -0500 11/12/09, Bastien Koert wrote:
>
>
>The issue here is that there are a lot of choices in the PHP space.
>Eclipse, Aptana, Komodo, Zend, a host of various simpler text editors.
>Aptana has chosen not to compete in this space and its their choice.
>Personally, I use NetBeans or Komodo when I require something with a
>bit of power. The biggest issue with IDEs that I have, is they are so
>damn slow to start. Some of the smaller text editors are much quicker
>to start and have most of what I need to do what we all have so much
>fun doing.
>--
>
>Bastien


You also have apps like GoLive and Dreamweaver that make excellent
IDE's -- you don't have to use the WYSIWYG junk.

I'm learning to use Eclipse and it's great, but it doesn't handle the
hundreds of smaller projects together like GoLive does -- or I
haven't learn how to yet.

I've never noticed any delays in development except occasionally in
uploads -- and that I assume is a connection problem.

Cheers,

tedd

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RE: is Aptana taking a crap on the face of PHP?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tedd [mailto:tedd.sperling@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:06 AM
>
> You also have apps like GoLive and Dreamweaver that make excellent
> IDE's -- you don't have to use the WYSIWYG junk.
>
> I'm learning to use Eclipse and it's great, but it doesn't handle the
> hundreds of smaller projects together like GoLive does -- or I
> haven't learn how to yet.

Just in case you're not clear or haven't used Aptana before.

* It *is* an Eclipse offering (like Zend)
* It is NOT a WYSIWYG.
* It has outstanding color-coding, way more than any other IDE I've ever
seen.
* It Handles jQuery and other JS libraries with completion.
* It does ruby and python as well -- very convenient for someone like me who
works in all three languages.
* It has a very nice code formatter (like Zend has)
* It is FREE (unlike Zend's retarded $500 price tag).


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Re: is Aptana taking a crap on the face of PHP?

>=20
> * It is FREE (unlike Zend's retarded $500 price tag).

I bought Zend Studio back in the 5.5 days - a couple of months after =
that they announced they were dropping support for the standalone IDE =
and made Studio an Eclipse plugin. It was then they added about $200 to =
the price.

I moved to NuSphere PhpEd and was happy with that for a couple of years, =
now I'm on a Mac and haven't been able to find a decent IDE for either =
PHP or C++.

Apple's Xcode seems to do the job for C++ (although better code =
completion wouldn't go a miss) but it fails miserably with PHP. Komodo =
was great for PHP but quite often it kept failing to load my class =
definitions for the code completion (and kept my processor sat at 25% =
use the whole time it was running.)

I thought NetBeans was Java-only (and proprietary) but evidently it's =
come a long way since I last looked at it - I'm just downloading it now =
to see if it will handle both PHP and C++.


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