Wiki recommendation?

Hey all,

I'm looking for a good Wiki to maintain documentation on a
large commercial web site that is always growing.

DokuWiki is the only one I've installed and used at any
length, so before I just use that one again I'd like to hear
from the peanut gallery what other suggestions you'd have.

Remember, this will be for end user documentation for a large
commercial CMS type system, something site admins will go to
for information on site features, updates, etc.

Let the shouting begin!

Thanks, all, and a very happy eating-charred-dead-bird-flesh
day to you all!!!

Skip

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Re: Wiki recommendation?

On Nov 25, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Skip Evans wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I'm looking for a good Wiki to maintain documentation on a large
> commercial web site that is always growing.
>
> DokuWiki is the only one I've installed and used at any length, so
> before I just use that one again I'd like to hear from the peanut
> gallery what other suggestions you'd have.
>
> Remember, this will be for end user documentation for a large
> commercial CMS type system, something site admins will go to for
> information on site features, updates, etc.
>
> Let the shouting begin!
>
> Thanks, all, and a very happy eating-charred-dead-bird-flesh day to
> you all!!!
>
> Skip


Well, I've used DocuWiki and bit new to MediaWiki which I think
WikiPedia uses.

MediaWiki uses a MySQL DB were as DocuWiki is a tree dir structure
kind of thing.

I actually prefer DocuWiki but maybe thats because I didn't setup
MediaWiki correctly.

Cacti uses DocuWiki by the way and I personally avoid DB usage if
possible.

I think its easier to corrupt a DB then it is to corrupt a filesystem.

However I'm unsure of how scalable a pure file system based Wiki is, I
think if you put it on a mirrored disk with a decent cache on the Raid
controller, you'll be fine performance and DR wise.

If its Linux, then MD based (software raids) works pretty well.

- aurf



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Re: Wiki recommendation?

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:37 PM, wrote:
> On Nov 25, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Skip Evans wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I'm looking for a good Wiki to maintain documentation on a large
>> commercial web site that is always growing.
>>
>> DokuWiki is the only one I've installed and used at any length, so before
>> I just use that one again I'd like to hear from the peanut gallery what
>> other suggestions you'd have.
>>
>> Remember, this will be for end user documentation for a large commercial
>> CMS type system, something site admins will go to for information on site
>> features, updates, etc.
>>
>> Let the shouting begin!
>>
>> Thanks, all, and a very happy eating-charred-dead-bird-flesh day to you
>> all!!!
>>
>> Skip
>
>
> Well, I've used DocuWiki and bit new to MediaWiki which I think WikiPedia
> uses.
>
> MediaWiki uses a MySQL DB were as DocuWiki is a tree dir structure kind of
> thing.
>
> I actually prefer DocuWiki but maybe thats because I didn't setup MediaWiki
> correctly.
>
> Cacti uses DocuWiki by the way and I personally avoid DB usage if possible.
>
> I think its easier to corrupt a DB then it is to corrupt a filesystem.
>
> However I'm unsure of how scalable a pure file system based Wiki is, I think
> if you put it on a mirrored disk with a decent cache on the Raid controller,
> you'll be fine performance and DR wise.
>
> If its Linux, then MD based (software raids) works pretty well.
>
> - aurf
>
>
>
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I also recommend dokuwiki (with a k, not c :) ): http://www.dokuwiki.org/

Regards,

Jonathan

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Re: Wiki recommendation?

A while back I set up a TikiWiki for a client. I think I liked it better
than any of the other wikis I've messed with. But honestly, I didn't get
to use it much and I've only ever used Mediawiki to any real length.

Definitely give it a look, though.

-TG

----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Tapicer
To: aurfalien@gmail.com
Cc: Skip Evans , "php-general@lists.php.net"

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:54:07 -0300
Subject: Re: [PHP] Wiki recommendation?

> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:37 PM, wrote:
> > On Nov 25, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Skip Evans wrote:
> >
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> I'm looking for a good Wiki to maintain documentation on a large
> >> commercial web site that is always growing.
> >>
> >> DokuWiki is the only one I've installed and used at any length, so
before
> >> I just use that one again I'd like to hear from the peanut gallery what
> >> other suggestions you'd have.
> >>
> >> Remember, this will be for end user documentation for a large
commercial
> >> CMS type system, something site admins will go to for information on
site
> >> features, updates, etc.
> >>
> >> Let the shouting begin!
> >>
> >> Thanks, all, and a very happy eating-charred-dead-bird-flesh day to you
> >> all!!!
> >>
> >> Skip
> >
> >
> > Well, I've used DocuWiki and bit new to MediaWiki which I think
WikiPedia
> > uses.
> >
> > MediaWiki uses a MySQL DB were as DocuWiki is a tree dir structure kind
of
> > thing.
> >
> > I actually prefer DocuWiki but maybe thats because I didn't setup
MediaWiki
> > correctly.
> >
> > Cacti uses DocuWiki by the way and I personally avoid DB usage if
possible.
> >
> > I think its easier to corrupt a DB then it is to corrupt a filesystem.
> >
> > However I'm unsure of how scalable a pure file system based Wiki is, I
think
> > if you put it on a mirrored disk with a decent cache on the Raid
controller,
> > you'll be fine performance and DR wise.
> >
> > If its Linux, then MD based (software raids) works pretty well.
> >
> > - aurf
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
> I also recommend dokuwiki (with a k, not c :) ): http://www.dokuwiki.org/
>
> Regards,
>
> Jonathan
>
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Re: Wiki recommendation?

Hey all,

Thanks much for the recommendations. I'll check them out.

We don't need fine grained control over access; basically
admins that can modify content and the public who cannot.

But right now DocuWiki is sounding good, and I'd rather, for
some strange reason, not use a DB, although I can't justify
that in any rational way. I mean, MySQL is already on the machine.

Thanks again!

Skip

TG wrote:
> A while back I set up a TikiWiki for a client. I think I liked it better
> than any of the other wikis I've messed with. But honestly, I didn't get
> to use it much and I've only ever used Mediawiki to any real length.
>
> Definitely give it a look, though.
>
> -TG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Tapicer
> To: aurfalien@gmail.com
> Cc: Skip Evans , "php-general@lists.php.net"
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:54:07 -0300
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Wiki recommendation?
>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:37 PM, wrote:
>>> On Nov 25, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Skip Evans wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for a good Wiki to maintain documentation on a large
>>>> commercial web site that is always growing.
>>>>
>>>> DokuWiki is the only one I've installed and used at any length, so
> before
>>>> I just use that one again I'd like to hear from the peanut gallery what
>>>> other suggestions you'd have.
>>>>
>>>> Remember, this will be for end user documentation for a large
> commercial
>>>> CMS type system, something site admins will go to for information on
> site
>>>> features, updates, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Let the shouting begin!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, all, and a very happy eating-charred-dead-bird-flesh day to you
>>>> all!!!
>>>>
>>>> Skip
>>>
>>> Well, I've used DocuWiki and bit new to MediaWiki which I think
> WikiPedia
>>> uses.
>>>
>>> MediaWiki uses a MySQL DB were as DocuWiki is a tree dir structure kind
> of
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> I actually prefer DocuWiki but maybe thats because I didn't setup
> MediaWiki
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> Cacti uses DocuWiki by the way and I personally avoid DB usage if
> possible.
>>> I think its easier to corrupt a DB then it is to corrupt a filesystem.
>>>
>>> However I'm unsure of how scalable a pure file system based Wiki is, I
> think
>>> if you put it on a mirrored disk with a decent cache on the Raid
> controller,
>>> you'll be fine performance and DR wise.
>>>
>>> If its Linux, then MD based (software raids) works pretty well.
>>>
>>> - aurf
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>> I also recommend dokuwiki (with a k, not c :) ): http://www.dokuwiki.org/
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
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>

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Re: Wiki recommendation?

Well, if you want to get really extreme, you could use TiddlyWiki:
http://www.tiddlywiki.com/

It's a wiki contained in a single HTML file. No database. No server side
scripting. No server! hah

-TG

----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Evans
To: TG
Cc: Jonathan Tapicer , aurfalien@gmail.com,
"php-general@lists.php.net"
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:33:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [PHP] Wiki recommendation?

> Hey all,
>
> Thanks much for the recommendations. I'll check them out.
>
> We don't need fine grained control over access; basically
> admins that can modify content and the public who cannot.
>
> But right now DocuWiki is sounding good, and I'd rather, for
> some strange reason, not use a DB, although I can't justify
> that in any rational way. I mean, MySQL is already on the machine.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Skip
>
> TG wrote:
> > A while back I set up a TikiWiki for a client. I think I liked it
better
> > than any of the other wikis I've messed with. But honestly, I didn't
get
> > to use it much and I've only ever used Mediawiki to any real length.
> >
> > Definitely give it a look, though.
> >
> > -TG
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jonathan Tapicer
> > To: aurfalien@gmail.com
> > Cc: Skip Evans , "php-general@lists.php.net"
> >
> > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:54:07 -0300
> > Subject: Re: [PHP] Wiki recommendation?
> >
> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:37 PM, wrote:
> >>> On Nov 25, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Skip Evans wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm looking for a good Wiki to maintain documentation on a large
> >>>> commercial web site that is always growing.
> >>>>
> >>>> DokuWiki is the only one I've installed and used at any length, so
> > before
> >>>> I just use that one again I'd like to hear from the peanut gallery
what
> >>>> other suggestions you'd have.
> >>>>
> >>>> Remember, this will be for end user documentation for a large
> > commercial
> >>>> CMS type system, something site admins will go to for information on
> > site
> >>>> features, updates, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let the shouting begin!
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, all, and a very happy eating-charred-dead-bird-flesh day to
you
> >>>> all!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Skip
> >>>
> >>> Well, I've used DocuWiki and bit new to MediaWiki which I think
> > WikiPedia
> >>> uses.
> >>>
> >>> MediaWiki uses a MySQL DB were as DocuWiki is a tree dir structure
kind
> > of
> >>> thing.
> >>>
> >>> I actually prefer DocuWiki but maybe thats because I didn't setup
> > MediaWiki
> >>> correctly.
> >>>
> >>> Cacti uses DocuWiki by the way and I personally avoid DB usage if
> > possible.
> >>> I think its easier to corrupt a DB then it is to corrupt a filesystem.
> >>>
> >>> However I'm unsure of how scalable a pure file system based Wiki is,
I
> > think
> >>> if you put it on a mirrored disk with a decent cache on the Raid
> > controller,
> >>> you'll be fine performance and DR wise.
> >>>
> >>> If its Linux, then MD based (software raids) works pretty well.
> >>>
> >>> - aurf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >> I also recommend dokuwiki (with a k, not c :) ):
http://www.dokuwiki.org/
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
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Re: Wiki recommendation?

Skip Evans wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Thanks much for the recommendations. I'll check them out.
>
> We don't need fine grained control over access; basically admins that
> can modify content and the public who cannot.
>
> But right now DocuWiki is sounding good, and I'd rather, for some
> strange reason, not use a DB, although I can't justify that in any
> rational way. I mean, MySQL is already on the machine.

Perhaps good enough reason for NOT wanting to use a database ;)
Although a lot more stable than it used to be - but until one can run a backup
transparently at intervals is it really suitable for live data? My own live
sites just mirror to a backup machine including a backup of the database
automatically.

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Re: Wiki recommendation?

Jonathan Tapicer wrote:

> I also recommend dokuwiki (with a k, not c :) ):
> http://www.dokuwiki.org/

I will add just my 2 cts to that. I have used several wikis but I always
come back to DokuWiki. Among other things that I like about it, like
plugins, is the fact that it is file based. It can be nice sometimes to
be able to make certain changes to your pages with a normal editor,
search and replace tool or whatever.

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