Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... any suggestions?

Hey Guys,

Coming from a C and Java background I just loved PHP and have been programming with it for years thanks in a large part to the kind people on this list... present and past (Immediately the name John Holmes comes to mind.. i hope the dude is well)
but now I have have to leave PHP or split time between php and .NET for just one reason:

..NET offers a way to run programs using the Windows GUI / stand alone executable

There always was talk on the list about running php code as standalone, but since I had a long absence from the list sorry if I missed any new updates... but I'm hoping someone can offer a way to run php standalone executable.

Before posting I always google, and the main results I have gotten so far is:
priado blender
and PHP-GTK

but no way to kind of drag and drop what you need like visual studio (i dont know how to use it yet, but been reading) or some other visual development tool like visual basic.

I need to make a few standalones programs that will run (mostly) on Windows... is there any other way that I have not found that i can use PHP instead of learning something new like .NET?

I have resisted going "the microsoft way" for years.. looks like my luck has run out...

Thanks,
Ryan





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Re: Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... anysuggestions?

Op 2/3/10 6:09 PM, Ryan S schreef:
> Hey Guys,
>
> Coming from a C and Java background I just loved PHP and have been programming with it for years thanks in a large part to the kind people on this list... present and past (Immediately the name John Holmes comes to mind.. i hope the dude is well)
> but now I have have to leave PHP or split time between php and .NET for just one reason:
>
> .NET offers a way to run programs using the Windows GUI / stand alone executable
>
> There always was talk on the list about running php code as standalone, but since I had a long absence from the list sorry if I missed any new updates... but I'm hoping someone can offer a way to run php standalone executable.
>
> Before posting I always google, and the main results I have gotten so far is:
> priado blender
> and PHP-GTK
>
> but no way to kind of drag and drop what you need like visual studio (i dont know how to use it yet, but been reading) or some other visual development tool like visual basic.
>
> I need to make a few standalones programs that will run (mostly) on Windows... is there any other way that I have not found that i can use PHP instead of learning something new like .NET?
>
> I have resisted going "the microsoft way" for years.. looks like my luck has run out...

I don't think that you'll get much else than Blender or PHP-GTK - so from that perspective
I'd hazard a guess that your not going to be finding anything that will allow you use php
for desktop development in the way you require.

come to think of it M$ has been doing something to shoehorn PHP into the .NET env ... I have
no idea whether this would be anything that could bare fruit for you, you'd have to google.

as an alternative you might consider Adobe Flex Builder - you get WYSIWYG-ness, you can leverage javascript
skills (by way of ActionScript) and it's runs on the AIR platform - so it's nice and desktoppy but
with the added bonus of being cross-platform. just a thought.

>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... anysuggestions?

Ryan S wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> Coming from a C and Java background I just loved PHP and have been programming with it for years thanks in a large part to the kind people on this list... present and past (Immediately the name John Holmes comes to mind.. i hope the dude is well)
> but now I have have to leave PHP or split time between php and .NET for just one reason:
>
> .NET offers a way to run programs using the Windows GUI / stand alone executable
>
> There always was talk on the list about running php code as standalone, but since I had a long absence from the list sorry if I missed any new updates... but I'm hoping someone can offer a way to run php standalone executable.
>
> Before posting I always google, and the main results I have gotten so far is:
> priado blender
> and PHP-GTK
>
> but no way to kind of drag and drop what you need like visual studio (i dont know how to use it yet, but been reading) or some other visual development tool like visual basic.
>
> I need to make a few standalones programs that will run (mostly) on Windows... is there any other way that I have not found that i can use PHP instead of learning something new like .NET?
>
> I have resisted going "the microsoft way" for years.. looks like my luck has run out...

This is not my area of familiarity but I believe there is also something
called WxWidgets (or something similarly named) for doing similar. It
may be closer to the Windows metal. I wonder too if HipHop, that new PHP
to C++ compiled binary thing from Facebook, might also have potential in
this kind of standalone arena.

Cheers,
Rob.
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Re: Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... anysuggestions?

Ryan S wrote:

>
> I need to make a few standalones programs that will run (mostly) on
> Windows... is there any other way that I have not found that i can
> use PHP instead of learning something new like .NET?

Use the best tool for the job.

I suspect that if your primary target is MS you will have an application
that is more consistent with MS interface guidelines if you use MS tools
to develop it.

I've only played a little bit with php-gtk and just didn't "get it" but
I do know the few times I have used Windows, the gtk+ apps I used on it
always felt a bit out of place (so does iTunes, btw) on the system.

I don't know the details, but I know that at least some .NET apps can be
ported to *nix without too much trouble using mono, so by using .NET you
may not be sacrificing portability.

I'm not saying use .NET, I don't know, but if I was developing GUI
desktop apps where Windows was the primary target, I would use a Windows
native programming environment to do it as I suspect it would result
in far less headaches and far easier time finding solutions to problems
via google when I'm stumped.

I believe .NET is pretty much how it is done on Windows now (but I
really don't know, I stay away from Windows, I'm a ABM'r).

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... anysuggestions?

Robert Cummings wrote:
> Ryan S wrote:
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> Coming from a C and Java background I just loved PHP and have been programming with it for years thanks in a large part to the kind people on this list... present and past (Immediately the name John Holmes comes to mind.. i hope the dude is well)
>> but now I have have to leave PHP or split time between php and .NET for just one reason:
>>
>> .NET offers a way to run programs using the Windows GUI / stand alone executable
>>
>> There always was talk on the list about running php code as standalone, but since I had a long absence from the list sorry if I missed any new updates... but I'm hoping someone can offer a way to run php standalone executable.
>>
>> Before posting I always google, and the main results I have gotten so far is:
>> priado blender
>> and PHP-GTK
>>
>> but no way to kind of drag and drop what you need like visual studio (i dont know how to use it yet, but been reading) or some other visual development tool like visual basic.
>>
>> I need to make a few standalones programs that will run (mostly) on Windows... is there any other way that I have not found that i can use PHP instead of learning something new like .NET?
>>
>> I have resisted going "the microsoft way" for years.. looks like my luck has run out...
>
> This is not my area of familiarity but I believe there is also something
> called WxWidgets (or something similarly named) for doing similar. It
> may be closer to the Windows metal. I wonder too if HipHop, that new PHP
> to C++ compiled binary thing from Facebook, might also have potential in
> this kind of standalone arena.

I just did a quick google and there's WinBinder.

Cheers,
Rob.
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Re: Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... any suggestions?

Thanks for the reply Michael, Robert and Jochem,

makes sense, a native windows app is going to look more in place than any of the demos and graphics i have seen of GTK.

Was also looking at GTK-Builder, unfortunately you really have to hunt for each scrap of new info - which is why I'm guessing open source falls back a bit compared to M$'s offerings.

MS shoehorning something into dotnet sounds interesting, will ask my pal google what he can bring up ;)
I did read about FLEX but i have pretty much complete php scripts that i want to use in a desktop environment, FLEX wouldnt do for my (present) needs.

Will look up WxWidgets and HipHop (somehow i get the feeling i'm gonna be drowned in millions of results that have rap lyrics instead of programming information - should be a test of my patience :-)) )

Anyone have anything more to add/advise, please do so.

Cheers guys!





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Re: Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... anysuggestions?

Ryan S wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Michael, Robert and Jochem,
>
> makes sense, a native windows app is going to look more in place than any of the demos and graphics i have seen of GTK.
>
> Was also looking at GTK-Builder, unfortunately you really have to hunt for each scrap of new info - which is why I'm guessing open source falls back a bit compared to M$'s offerings.
>
> MS shoehorning something into dotnet sounds interesting, will ask my pal google what he can bring up ;)
> I did read about FLEX but i have pretty much complete php scripts that i want to use in a desktop environment, FLEX wouldnt do for my (present) needs.
>
> Will look up WxWidgets and HipHop (somehow i get the feeling i'm gonna be drowned in millions of results that have rap lyrics instead of programming information - should be a test of my patience :-)) )
>
> Anyone have anything more to add/advise, please do so.

Don't look at WxWidgets, I was wrong about that... it's WinBinder you
want to look at. You shouldbe pretty good looking up HipHop if you
include PHP in the keywords list :)

In fact "php hiphop" hits the right stride in the top entries (I just
did a check :) Heck, hiphop alone gets you some of the info on the PHP
version in the first page of results.

Cheers,
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Re: Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... anysuggestions?

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On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 14:02 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:

>
> Ryan S wrote:
> > Thanks for the reply Michael, Robert and Jochem,
> >
> > makes sense, a native windows app is going to look more in place than any of the demos and graphics i have seen of GTK.
> >
> > Was also looking at GTK-Builder, unfortunately you really have to hunt for each scrap of new info - which is why I'm guessing open source falls back a bit compared to M$'s offerings.
> >
> > MS shoehorning something into dotnet sounds interesting, will ask my pal google what he can bring up ;)
> > I did read about FLEX but i have pretty much complete php scripts that i want to use in a desktop environment, FLEX wouldnt do for my (present) needs.
> >
> > Will look up WxWidgets and HipHop (somehow i get the feeling i'm gonna be drowned in millions of results that have rap lyrics instead of programming information - should be a test of my patience :-)) )
> >
> > Anyone have anything more to add/advise, please do so.
>
> Don't look at WxWidgets, I was wrong about that... it's WinBinder you
> want to look at. You shouldbe pretty good looking up HipHop if you
> include PHP in the keywords list :)
>
> In fact "php hiphop" hits the right stride in the top entries (I just
> did a check :) Heck, hiphop alone gets you some of the info on the PHP
> version in the first page of results.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob.
> --
> http://www.interjinn.com
> Application and Templating Framework for PHP
>


Personally, I'd go with a more suitable language for desktop application
development. PHP, to me, is great for two things: websites and command
line scripts. If I wanted to develop for the desktop market, I'd go with
either C++ and compile for each environment as needed, or go with .Net
or Java to make it more portable. It might make more sense to convert
some of your existing PHP code into a different language.

Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk



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RE: Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... any suggestions?

Ryan,

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Desktop application w/o any changes in the code.
PhpDock combines NuSphere's powerful embeded Srv webserver and the browser
components.

With PhpDock, your php applications will work right out of the box. There's
no need to provide long and complicated instructions on Apache and Php
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deployment solution along with your php applications to provide easy and
comprehensive installation and instant functioning of your php scripts.


http://www.nusphere.com/products/phpdock.htm

Hope this helps
David Murphy


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Subject: [PHP] Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... any
suggestions?

Hey Guys,

Coming from a C and Java background I just loved PHP and have been
programming with it for years thanks in a large part to the kind people on
this list... present and past (Immediately the name John Holmes comes to
mind.. i hope the dude is well)
but now I have have to leave PHP or split time between php and .NET for just
one reason:

..NET offers a way to run programs using the Windows GUI / stand alone
executable

There always was talk on the list about running php code as standalone, but
since I had a long absence from the list sorry if I missed any new
updates... but I'm hoping someone can offer a way to run php standalone
executable.

Before posting I always google, and the main results I have gotten so far
is:
priado blender
and PHP-GTK

but no way to kind of drag and drop what you need like visual studio (i dont
know how to use it yet, but been reading) or some other visual development
tool like visual basic.

I need to make a few standalones programs that will run (mostly) on
Windows... is there any other way that I have not found that i can use PHP
instead of learning something new like .NET?

I have resisted going "the microsoft way" for years.. looks like my luck has
run out...

Thanks,
Ryan





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Re: Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... anysuggestions?

Ashley Sheridan wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 14:02 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
>
>> Ryan S wrote:
>>> Thanks for the reply Michael, Robert and Jochem,
>>>
>>> makes sense, a native windows app is going to look more in place than any of the demos and graphics i have seen of GTK.
>>>
>>> Was also looking at GTK-Builder, unfortunately you really have to hunt for each scrap of new info - which is why I'm guessing open source falls back a bit compared to M$'s offerings.
>>>
>>> MS shoehorning something into dotnet sounds interesting, will ask my pal google what he can bring up ;)
>>> I did read about FLEX but i have pretty much complete php scripts that i want to use in a desktop environment, FLEX wouldnt do for my (present) needs.
>>>
>>> Will look up WxWidgets and HipHop (somehow i get the feeling i'm gonna be drowned in millions of results that have rap lyrics instead of programming information - should be a test of my patience :-)) )
>>>
>>> Anyone have anything more to add/advise, please do so.
>> Don't look at WxWidgets, I was wrong about that... it's WinBinder you
>> want to look at. You shouldbe pretty good looking up HipHop if you
>> include PHP in the keywords list :)
>>
>> In fact "php hiphop" hits the right stride in the top entries (I just
>> did a check :) Heck, hiphop alone gets you some of the info on the PHP
>> version in the first page of results.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rob.
>> --
>> http://www.interjinn.com
>> Application and Templating Framework for PHP
>>
>
>
> Personally, I'd go with a more suitable language for desktop application
> development. PHP, to me, is great for two things: websites and command
> line scripts. If I wanted to develop for the desktop market, I'd go with
> either C++ and compile for each environment as needed, or go with .Net
> or Java to make it more portable. It might make more sense to convert
> some of your existing PHP code into a different language.

In many cases I'd agree with you, but the OP indicated they have
existing code/libraries that they want to leverage. In this case, I'm
not so certain creating a second redundant library in the desktop
oriented language of choice, such that you now have two codebases to
maintain, is a compelling argument in favour of such a move.

Cheers,
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Re: Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... any

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Robert Cummings wrot=
e:
> Ashley Sheridan wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 14:02 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan S wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the reply Michael, Robert and Jochem,
>>>>
>>>> makes sense, a native windows app is going to look more in place than
>>>> any of the demos and graphics i have seen of GTK.
>>>>
>>>> Was also looking at GTK-Builder, unfortunately you really have to hunt
>>>> for each scrap of new info - which is why I'm guessing open source fal=
ls
>>>> back a bit compared to M$'s offerings.
>>>>
>>>> MS shoehorning something into dotnet sounds interesting, will ask my p=
al
>>>> google what he can bring up ;)
>>>> I did read about FLEX but i have pretty much complete php scripts that=
i
>>>> want to use in a desktop environment, FLEX wouldnt do for my (present)
>>>> needs.
>>>>
>>>> Will look up WxWidgets and HipHop (somehow i get the feeling i'm gonna
>>>> be drowned in millions of results that have rap lyrics instead of
>>>> programming information - should be a test of my patience :-)) =A0 =A0=
)
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have anything more to add/advise, please do so.
>>>
>>> Don't look at WxWidgets, I was wrong about that... it's WinBinder you
>>> want to look at. You shouldbe pretty good looking up HipHop if you incl=
ude
>>> PHP in the keywords list :)
>>>
>>> In fact "php hiphop" hits the right stride in the top entries (I just d=
id
>>> a check :) Heck, hiphop alone gets you some of the info on the PHP vers=
ion
>>> in the first page of results.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Rob.
>>> --
>>> http://www.interjinn.com
>>> Application and Templating Framework for PHP
>>>
>>
>>
>> Personally, I'd go with a more suitable language for desktop application
>> development. PHP, to me, is great for two things: websites and command
>> line scripts. If I wanted to develop for the desktop market, I'd go with
>> either C++ and compile for each environment as needed, or go with .Net
>> or Java to make it more portable. It might make more sense to convert
>> some of your existing PHP code into a different language.
>
> In many cases I'd agree with you, but the OP indicated they have existing
> code/libraries that they want to leverage. In this case, I'm not so certa=
in
> creating a second redundant library in the desktop oriented language of
> choice, such that you now have two codebases to maintain, is a compelling
> argument in favour of such a move.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob.
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check out http://www.php-compiler.net/doku.php

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Re: Thinking of moving to .NET because of standalone... any suggestions?

Thanks for the links and advise guys!

Of all I found this most interesting as it would run native:


>check out http://www.php-compiler.net/doku.php

unfortunately I think this project is dead or at best stagnant because the server is slower than a 99 year old on weed and forums link dead. Documentation is badly limited as well.

But if someone was used this or is using this, would love to hear from you.

Till then am back to checking out the other recommendations and googling.
Keep any other advise/links coming ;) they are most appreciated.

Cheers!
R





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