New home for ECS, ORO and Regexp?

This is cross-posted, please use your discretion to respond to the
relevant list(s). At a suitable time, I'll try to collate replies in a
summary post to general@.

We have three Jakarta sub-projects that have been discussion points
for moving elsewhere (viz. ECS, ORO and Regexp). For example, the last
time this came up was during the merge development mailing lists
discussion.

There have been a couple of candidate locations spoken of where these
can be moved:
(a) Apache Commons, where they can be maintained -- pending Jakarta
and Commons approvals; and
(b) Apache Attic, where they can be retired -- pending Jakarta approval.

If there is interest in moving one or more to Commons, we can initiate
that topic with Commons some time soon.

So, for each of the three sub-projects: Commons or Attic or something else now?

I'll wait three weeks for any responses, please reply by 3/21 if you
have any comments.

-Rahul

Re: New home for ECS, ORO and Regexp?

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
> This is cross-posted, please use your discretion to respond to the
> relevant list(s). At a suitable time, I'll try to collate replies in a
> summary post to general@.
>
> We have three Jakarta sub-projects that have been discussion points
> for moving elsewhere (viz. ECS, ORO and Regexp). For example, the last
> time this came up was during the merge development mailing lists
> discussion.
>
> There have been a couple of candidate locations spoken of where these
> can be moved:
> (a) Apache Commons, where they can be maintained -- pending Jakarta
> and Commons approvals; and
> (b) Apache Attic, where they can be retired -- pending Jakarta approval.
>
> If there is interest in moving one or more to Commons, we can initiate
> that topic with Commons some time soon.
>
> So, for each of the three sub-projects: Commons or Attic or something else now?

I had a look at actual code changes and releases in the last few years
and have summarized below:

ECS Last Release: May 2003
ECS Code Changes (by Robert Burrell Donkin & Henri Yandell):
July 2008 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=680100
July 2008 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=680091
Sep 2007 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=574772
May 2003 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=168960

ORO Last Release: Dec 2003
ORO Code Changes (by Daniel Savarese):
Dec 2009 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=888505
Apr 2006 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=390702
Apr 2006 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=390695
Oct 2005 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=328125
Sep 2004 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=54495

Regexp Releases: March 2007, Aug 2005, Dec 2002
Regexp Code Changes (by Vadim Gritsenko):
Dec 2009 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=890007
Mar 2007 - 17 commits r515613 to r517970
Jan 2006 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=368412
Aug 2005 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=232365
Aug 2005 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=232192
Aug 2005 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=231379
May 2004 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=126159

I would say definitely the attic for ECS and ORO and probably the
attic for Regexp. Perhaps each should make a final release before
moving.

Niall

> I'll wait three weeks for any responses, please reply by 3/21 if you
> have any comments.
>
> -Rahul
>
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Re: New home for ECS, ORO and Regexp?

On 03/11/2010 12:23 AM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
>> This is cross-posted, please use your discretion to respond to the
>> relevant list(s). At a suitable time, I'll try to collate replies in a
>> summary post to general@.
>>
>> We have three Jakarta sub-projects that have been discussion points
>> for moving elsewhere (viz. ECS, ORO and Regexp). For example, the last
>> time this came up was during the merge development mailing lists
>> discussion.
>>
>> There have been a couple of candidate locations spoken of where these
>> can be moved:
>> (a) Apache Commons, where they can be maintained -- pending Jakarta
>> and Commons approvals; and
>> (b) Apache Attic, where they can be retired -- pending Jakarta approval.
>>
>> If there is interest in moving one or more to Commons, we can initiate
>> that topic with Commons some time soon.
>>
>> So, for each of the three sub-projects: Commons or Attic or something else now?
>
> I had a look at actual code changes and releases in the last few years
> and have summarized below:
>
> ECS Last Release: May 2003
> ECS Code Changes (by Robert Burrell Donkin & Henri Yandell):
> July 2008 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=680100
> July 2008 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=680091
> Sep 2007 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=574772
> May 2003 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=168960
>
> ORO Last Release: Dec 2003
> ORO Code Changes (by Daniel Savarese):
> Dec 2009 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=888505
> Apr 2006 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=390702
> Apr 2006 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=390695
> Oct 2005 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=328125
> Sep 2004 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=54495
>
> Regexp Releases: March 2007, Aug 2005, Dec 2002
> Regexp Code Changes (by Vadim Gritsenko):
> Dec 2009 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=890007
> Mar 2007 - 17 commits r515613 to r517970
> Jan 2006 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=368412
> Aug 2005 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=232365
> Aug 2005 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=232192
> Aug 2005 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=231379
> May 2004 - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=126159
>
> I would say definitely the attic for ECS and ORO

+1.

> and probably the
> attic for Regexp. Perhaps each should make a final release before
> moving.

If you make a release then it is active so we will have to wait to move
it...

Cheers

Jean-Frederic

Re: New home for ECS, ORO and Regexp?

In message <25aac9fc1003031751x7d696c4anfe502bc69979a4cd@mail.gmail.com>, sebb
writes:
>JMeter also uses ORO, but so long as the existing release remains
>available, it does not matter if it moves to Attic, as ORO works fine
>as it is. There are some RE features that it does not support (such as
>the \Q and \E meta-characters), but otherwise no problems have been
>noticed.

\Q and \E are part of Perl double-quoted string processing and are not
per se regular expression constructs, which is why they weren't
implemented and a quotemeta function was made available instead. I have
absolutely no problem with it moving into that Attic, but if anyone
requires enhancements, such as adding \Q and \E, then just keep in mind
that you're on your own after ORO moves into the Attic. The products
that continue to use the software (and there are actually still quite
a few outside of Apache, including commercial products) seem to have
been happy with 2.0.8 for years. Those who do report issues of one
sort or another do so in a hit and run fashion, such as last December
when I spent time implementing a feature request and never heard back
from the original requestor. Therefore, no matter how many users there
are, I see no reason to keep ORO out of the Attic if users are not
even willing to follow up on the responses to the issues they report.

That said, I'm not voting a +1 because I don't have the time to help
with satisfying the administrative details of the move. However, I'd
like to thank in advance those who do spend the time implementing the
move.

daniel

Re: New home for ECS, ORO and Regexp?

+1 on ECS to the Attic.

+1 on ORO/Regexp to the Attic, unless Daniel/Vadim are interested in
moving them to Commons.

To Daniel's not being +1 on Attic - don't worry about the
infrastructure move part, it's a well defined process now and someone
will take care of it.

Hen

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
> This is cross-posted, please use your discretion to respond to the
> relevant list(s). At a suitable time, I'll try to collate replies in a
> summary post to general@.
>
> We have three Jakarta sub-projects that have been discussion points
> for moving elsewhere (viz. ECS, ORO and Regexp). For example, the last
> time this came up was during the merge development mailing lists
> discussion.
>
> There have been a couple of candidate locations spoken of where these
> can be moved:
> (a) Apache Commons, where they can be maintained -- pending Jakarta
> and Commons approvals; and
> (b) Apache Attic, where they can be retired -- pending Jakarta approval.
>
> If there is interest in moving one or more to Commons, we can initiate
> that topic with Commons some time soon.
>
> So, for each of the three sub-projects: Commons or Attic or something else now?
>
> I'll wait three weeks for any responses, please reply by 3/21 if you
> have any comments.
>
> -Rahul
>
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> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
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Re: New home for ECS, ORO and Regexp?

Feedback received in thread can more or less be summarized as Hen's note below.

Daniel (or anyone else) - Should we check if there is interest at
Commons in taking ORO?

Vadim (or anyone else) - Should we check if there is interest at
Commons in taking Regexp?

If so, I will offer to initiate a thread over in Commons land if you want.

-Rahul


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Henri Yandell
wrote:
> +1 on ECS to the Attic.
>
> +1 on ORO/Regexp to the Attic, unless Daniel/Vadim are interested in
> moving them to Commons.
>
> To Daniel's not being +1 on Attic - don't worry about the
> infrastructure move part, it's a well defined process now and someone
> will take care of it.
>
> Hen
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
>> This is cross-posted, please use your discretion to respond to the
>> relevant list(s). At a suitable time, I'll try to collate replies in a
>> summary post to general@.
>>
>> We have three Jakarta sub-projects that have been discussion points
>> for moving elsewhere (viz. ECS, ORO and Regexp). For example, the last
>> time this came up was during the merge development mailing lists
>> discussion.
>>
>> There have been a couple of candidate locations spoken of where these
>> can be moved:
>> (a) Apache Commons, where they can be maintained -- pending Jakarta
>> and Commons approvals; and
>> (b) Apache Attic, where they can be retired -- pending Jakarta approval.
>>
>> If there is interest in moving one or more to Commons, we can initiate
>> that topic with Commons some time soon.
>>
>> So, for each of the three sub-projects: Commons or Attic or something else now?
>>
>> I'll wait three weeks for any responses, please reply by 3/21 if you
>> have any comments.
>>
>> -Rahul
>>

Re: New home for ECS, ORO and Regexp?

In message , Rahu
l Akolkar writes:
>Daniel (or anyone else) - Should we check if there is interest at
>Commons in taking ORO?

I'm reluctant to encourage additional expenditure of effort to keep
ORO going (although I'm always available to apply patches and respond
to issue reports). Let's wait a week and see if "anyone else" would
like to explore a move to Commons. If no one expresses interest by
next Friday, then I'd think it's off to the Attic by default.

daniel

Re: New home for ECS, ORO and Regexp?

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Daniel F. Savarese wrot=
e:
>
> In message =
, Rahul
> Akolkar writes:
>>Daniel (or anyone else) - Should we check if there is interest at
>>Commons in taking ORO?
>
> I'm reluctant to encourage additional expenditure of effort to keep
> ORO going (although I'm always available to apply patches and respond
> to issue reports). =A0Let's wait a week and see if "anyone else" would
> like to explore a move to Commons. =A0If no one expresses interest by
> next Friday, then I'd think it's off to the Attic by default.
>


Four Fridays later, I haven't seen any other notes so I don't think
anyone is planning more active development at this time.

I'll initiate a vote for the Attic moves in a day or two.

-Rahul


> daniel
>