Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

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Zend has an upcoming Framework: Fundamentals class that some of you may
be interested in. You can find more information at this webpage:
http://www.zend.com/en/services/training/course-catalog/zend -framework=20

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Class dates/times:

March 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 22, 23, 24 & 25 from 8-10am PST

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All classes are on-line and led with a live instructor.

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Please let me know if you have any questions.

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

no

Debbie Otterstetter wrote:
> Zend has an upcoming Framework: Fundamentals class that some of you may
> be interested in. You can find more information at this webpage:
> http://www.zend.com/en/services/training/course-catalog/zend -framework
>
>
>
> Class dates/times:
>
> March 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 22, 23, 24 & 25 from 8-10am PST
>
>
>
> All classes are on-line and led with a live instructor.
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
>
>
> Debbie
>
>

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

Looks expensive, definately NO

On 03/04/2010 08:05 PM, Debbie Otterstetter wrote:
> Zend has an upcoming Framework: Fundamentals class that some of you may
> be interested in. You can find more information at this webpage:
> http://www.zend.com/en/services/training/course-catalog/zend -framework
>
>
>
> Class dates/times:
>
> March 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 22, 23, 24& 25 from 8-10am PST
>
>
>
> All classes are on-line and led with a live instructor.
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
>
>
> Debbie
>
>
>


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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty wrote:
> Looks expensive, definately NO

Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not
just you and the other top-poster. ;-P

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

Spam!

Daniel Brown schrieb:
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty wrote:
>> Looks expensive, definately NO
>
> Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not
> just you and the other top-poster. ;-P
>

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 08:11 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote:

> Spam!
>=20
> Daniel Brown schrieb:
> > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty wrote:
> >> Looks expensive, definately NO
> >=20
> > Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not
> > just you and the other top-poster. ;-P
> >=20
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If it's spam, it's the first I've seen that actually has something to do
with PHP and not drugs, money or sex!

Thanks,
Ash
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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

> and not drugs, money or sex!

So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?

I think not.

regards
Jochen



Ashley Sheridan schrieb:
> On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 08:11 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote:
>> Spam!
>>
>> Daniel Brown schrieb:
>> > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty > wrote:
>> >> Looks expensive, definately NO
>> >
>> > Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not
>> > just you and the other top-poster. ;-P
>> >
>>
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>> Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900 -
>> 26188 Edewecht - GF: Michael Müllmann
>>
>
> If it's spam, it's the first I've seen that actually has something to do
> with PHP and not drugs, money or sex!
>
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>
>

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

Jochen Schultz wrote:
> > and not drugs, money or sex!
>
> So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?
>
> I think not.

As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertising' that
gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in this particular
case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major supporters of PHP and
actually need to make money to continue that support.

Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse and
PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;)

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable,
companies in the PHP community.

But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like
footer ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets
income, which can be used to support the community, while the community
stays free from some companies decissions.

Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions!

just my 2 cents


Lester Caine schrieb:
> Jochen Schultz wrote:
>> > and not drugs, money or sex!
>>
>> So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?
>>
>> I think not.
>
> As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertising'
> that gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in this
> particular case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major
> supporters of PHP and actually need to make money to continue that support.
>
> Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse and
> PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;)
>

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:21 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote:

> Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable,=20
> companies in the PHP community.
>=20
> But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like=20
> footer ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets=20
> income, which can be used to support the community, while the community=20
> stays free from some companies decissions.
>=20
> Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions!
>=20
> just my 2 cents
>=20
>=20
> Lester Caine schrieb:
> > Jochen Schultz wrote:
> >> > and not drugs, money or sex!
> >>
> >> So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?
> >>
> >> I think not.
> >=20
> > As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertising'=
=20
> > that gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in this=
=20
> > particular case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major=20
> > supporters of PHP and actually need to make money to continue that supp=
ort.
> >=20
> > Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse and=
=20
> > PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;)
> >=20
>=20
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Actually, footer ads doesn't seem such a bad idea. I don't know how
you'd work out the details like how often an ad is shown, but I for one
wouldn't mind a discrete ad at the bottom of the email if the proceeds
would go back into making PHP better. I would assume though that most
people on this list wouldn't like that, as it would possibly make it too
commercially driven, i.e. think people posting more and more simple to
get their ad more coverage, etc.

Thanks,
Ash
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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

NOw if they would cover the Zend Library I might pay a dollar.

Daniel Brown wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty wrote:
>> Looks expensive, definately NO
>
> Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not
> just you and the other top-poster. ;-P
>

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

On 5 March 2010 10:26, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:21 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote:
>
>> Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable,
>> companies in the PHP community.
>>
>> But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like
>> footer ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets
>> income, which can be used to support the community, while the community
>> stays free from some companies decissions.
>>
>> Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions!
>>
>> just my 2 cents
>>
>>
>> Lester Caine schrieb:
>> > Jochen Schultz wrote:
>> >>  >  and not drugs, money or sex!
>> >>
>> >> So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?
>> >>
>> >> I think not.
>> >
>> > As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertising=
'
>> > that gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in thi=
s
>> > particular case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major
>> > supporters of PHP and actually need to make money to continue that sup=
port.
>> >
>> > Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse an=
d
>> > PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;)
>> >
>>
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>>   Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900         =C2=
=A0  -
>>   26188 Edewecht      - GF: Michael Müllmann
>>
>
>
> Actually, footer ads doesn't seem such a bad idea. I don't know how
> you'd work out the details like how often an ad is shown, but I for one
> wouldn't mind a discrete ad at the bottom of the email if the proceeds
> would go back into making PHP better. I would assume though that most
> people on this list wouldn't like that, as it would possibly make it too
> commercially driven, i.e. think people posting more and more simple to
> get their ad more coverage, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>
>
>

Ad-block would "get in the way" though !?

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 12:03 +0000, Richard Quadling wrote:

> On 5 March 2010 10:26, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:21 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote:
> >
> >> Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable,
> >> companies in the PHP community.
> >>
> >> But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like
> >> footer ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets
> >> income, which can be used to support the community, while the communit=
y
> >> stays free from some companies decissions.
> >>
> >> Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions!
> >>
> >> just my 2 cents
> >>
> >>
> >> Lester Caine schrieb:
> >> > Jochen Schultz wrote:
> >> >> > and not drugs, money or sex!
> >> >>
> >> >> So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?
> >> >>
> >> >> I think not.
> >> >
> >> > As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertisi=
ng'
> >> > that gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in t=
his
> >> > particular case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major
> >> > supporters of PHP and actually need to make money to continue that s=
upport.
> >> >
> >> > Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse =
and
> >> > PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;)
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sport Import GmbH - Amtsgericht Oldenburg - Tel: +49-4405-9280-=
63
> >> Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900 -
> >> 26188 Edewecht - GF: Michael Müllmann
> >>
> >
> >
> > Actually, footer ads doesn't seem such a bad idea. I don't know how
> > you'd work out the details like how often an ad is shown, but I for one
> > wouldn't mind a discrete ad at the bottom of the email if the proceeds
> > would go back into making PHP better. I would assume though that most
> > people on this list wouldn't like that, as it would possibly make it to=
o
> > commercially driven, i.e. think people posting more and more simple to
> > get their ad more coverage, etc.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ash
> > http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
>=20
> Ad-block would "get in the way" though !?
>=20


I don't really know much about ads, save that I dislike annoying
'in-your-face' ones (Flash ads on website in particular!) so I wouldn't
really know what ad-blockers would block or let through.

Thanks,
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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

Op 3/4/10 9:14 PM, Daniel Brown schreef:
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty wrote:
>> Looks expensive, definately NO
>
> Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not
> just you and the other top-poster. ;-P
>

quite. and it's not like Zend send such offers to the list everyday, in fact
I don't think I've seen anything from them here before at all.

this list is not moderated, as such we're liable to receive stuff now and
again that we're not personally interested in ... just ignore it.

to those that argue it's expensive - quality training is, that's the
nature of the business and the subject matter we deal with.

to those that argue that it's spam, I would disagree - the 'ad' is directly
relevant to php developers, the sender's employer is reputable, the recipients
are all members of an unmoderated mailing list that is generally (pun intended)
known to be very flexible and lax with regard to the exceptability of posts and
lastly the actual sender is a traceable person with a working email address.

everything pretty much above board as far as I'm concerned.

I would suggest that Zend don't send such 'ad's too often purely because that
might offend the very people they are trying to reach, additionally they might
consider that when they do send things like this to also include links/etc to
relevant/new resource that are freely available ... I'd personally wouldn't
mind an occasional email pointing out some new article about, for instance,
'Best Practices' which also includes info about upcoming courses ... a bit of
give and take in that vein might garner a more positive response, in general,
from members of this list.

.... your thoughts on a post card ;-)



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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 04:29, Jochen Schultz wrot=
e:
>> =A0and not drugs, money or sex!
>
> So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?
>
> I think not.

Well, good thing you're nowhere near being close to having a say
in that, eh? ;-P

First of all, this is the General mailing list, meaning that
anything generally-related to PHP is allowed, accepted, and
encouraged. Before you subscribed, you were warned that this is a
high-traffic list. If you don't like it, please send a very long,
detailed message to php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net and we'll be
happy to respond.

Second, Debbie Otterstetter from Zend is absolutely,
one-hundred-percent completely correct in posting such a message here,
with both my encouragement and blessing. I work with her on a
near-daily basis to get events coordinated on php.net, so trust me -
she's not going to bombard the list with SPAM.

Lastly (for now), I will reiterate: if you're not interested, do not re=
ply.

(P.S. - We should institute a new rule: no one is allowed to make
suggestions regarding things until they've submitted at least 500
valuable posts. Of course, that won't happen.... stupid democracy.
;-P)

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 09:33 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 04:29, Jochen Schultz wrote:
> >> and not drugs, money or sex!
> >
> > So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?
> >
> > I think not.
>
> Well, good thing you're nowhere near being close to having a say
> in that, eh? ;-P
>
> First of all, this is the General mailing list, meaning that
> anything generally-related to PHP is allowed, accepted, and
> encouraged. Before you subscribed, you were warned that this is a
> high-traffic list. If you don't like it, please send a very long,
> detailed message to php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net and we'll be
> happy to respond.
>
> Second, Debbie Otterstetter from Zend is absolutely,
> one-hundred-percent completely correct in posting such a message here,
> with both my encouragement and blessing. I work with her on a
> near-daily basis to get events coordinated on php.net, so trust me -
> she's not going to bombard the list with SPAM.
>
> Lastly (for now), I will reiterate: if you're not interested, do not reply.
>
> (P.S. - We should institute a new rule: no one is allowed to make
> suggestions regarding things until they've submitted at least 500
> valuable posts. Of course, that won't happen.... stupid democracy.
> ;-P)
>
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How can we get a post count? :p

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

Don't top-post. Even that part is in the rules when you signed up. ;-P

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 05:21, Jochen Schultz wrote:
> Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable, companies
> in the PHP community.
>
> But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like footer
> ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets income, which
> can be used to support the community, while the community stays free from
> some companies decissions.

Absolutely not. Thankfully, that will never, ever happen. And
don't take this the wrong way, but it's quite evident that you're new
to working with open source groups. There's no way "the community
gets income" from anything, and the only support the community gets is
through its peers. By participating in this list in a productive
fashion, Jochen, is exactly where you're doing the right thing in
supporting the community. Further, the PHP community is and has
always been free from company decisions.... but believe me (and
Richard Quadling will back me on this one), we certainly have our fair
share of politics and internal obstacles, just like any organization.
Some may say even more than many. ;-P

> Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions!
>
> just my 2 cents

To a great extent, I agree with you on this one.... but I think
that ads once in a while for PHP-related educational services, job
offers, and other things to give you and your peers in the PHP
community a chance to better themselves can be invaluable to many.
Each year, we have a few hundred active participants on this list:
some with one-off messages, others - like Ashley Sheridan - who have
become fixtures here, and still others - like Jochem Maas - who
regularly come and go. Then, we have literally thousands of lurkers
--- those who are just getting into PHP, but are too timid yet to
pipe-up and introduce themselves or ask a question, for fear of being
heckled by those who think they're elite (blaming no one in this
thread, but we've all seen it). For those folks who actively monitor
the list to learn, they may very well be interested in the kind of ad
Debbie sent.

However, if it were to become a regular thing, advertising a
website and offering nothing more than self-promotion, then there's a
reason for wanting it gone for good. That kind of advertising is
nothing more than a completely self-serving action masquerading as
support for the community, and is worthy of complaints. And that, my
friend, is exactly where I agree with you.

As for the Zend posts, you can expect to see them now and again.
If you personally would rather not, it's a good thing you're
technologically-inclined: you know how to create a filter to
auto-trash the message before you even see it. ;-P

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

At 8:25 AM +0000 3/5/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
>If it's spam, it's the first I've seen that actually has something to do
>with PHP and not drugs, money or sex!
>
>Thanks,
>Ash

You mean that PHP is not drugs, money, or sex?

What's the purpose then?

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 09:57 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 09:42, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
> >
> > How can we get a post count? :p
>
> Were you here when I was still running the weekly metrics on the
> list a few years ago? I still get requests to reinstate it, I just
> haven't had the chance. I keep meaning to enlist Richard Heyes to
> incorporate RGraph (http://www.rgraph.net/) into my ListWatch library.
> Someday....
>
> However, for those interested in basic metrics:
>
> --- February 2010 ---
> 722 Legit (Non-SPAM) Posts
> Most Active Topics:
> $_POST vs $_REQUEST
> UK Project Opportunity
>
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Ah yes, I do recall that now. It's been so long ago, I'd clean forgotten
about it!

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 09:42, Ashley Sheridan wr=
ote:
>
> How can we get a post count? :p

Were you here when I was still running the weekly metrics on the
list a few years ago? I still get requests to reinstate it, I just
haven't had the chance. I keep meaning to enlist Richard Heyes to
incorporate RGraph (http://www.rgraph.net/) into my ListWatch library.
Someday....

However, for those interested in basic metrics:

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 15:29 +0000, Richard Quadling wrote:

> On 5 March 2010 14:48, Daniel Brown wrote:
> > Further, the PHP community is and has
> > always been free from company decisions.... but believe me (and
> > Richard Quadling will back me on this one), we certainly have our fair
> > share of politics and internal obstacles, just like any organization.
>
> Who? Me?
>
> Imagine OSS like a big extended family. You get some people you like,
> others you don't.
>
>
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> "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"
> EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html
> EE4Free : http://www.experts-exchange.com/becomeAnExpert.jsp
> Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731
> ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling
>


And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got?


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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

On 5 March 2010 14:48, Daniel Brown wrote:
> Further, the PHP community is and has
> always been free from company decisions.... but believe me (and
> Richard Quadling will back me on this one), we certainly have our fair
> share of politics and internal obstacles, just like any organization.

Who? Me?

Imagine OSS like a big extended family. You get some people you like,
others you don't.


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"Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"
EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html
EE4Free : http://www.experts-exchange.com/becomeAnExpert.jsp
Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731
ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 10:41 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:28, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
> >
> > And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got?
>
> Yes, but you can't put any up for adoption by another family.
>
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I sometimes wish it were possible. We're still talking about the family
here, and not OSS yeah?!

Thanks,
Ash
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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

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ote:
>
> And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got?

Yes, but you can't put any up for adoption by another family.

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Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Ashley Sheridan
wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 10:41 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:28, Ashley Sheridan =
wrote:
>> >
>> > And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got?
>>
>> =A0 =A0 Yes, but you can't put any up for adoption by another family.
>>
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>>
>> daniel.brown@parasane.net || danbrown@php.net
>> http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/
>> Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? =A0Ask me how we can fit your =
budget!
>>
>
>
> I sometimes wish it were possible. We're still talking about the family
> here, and not OSS yeah?!
>
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>
>
>

And no, you may not marry your first cousin.

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