Why is MySQL always linked to Php?

Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for developers wor=
king on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things linked? I mean I've not fou=
nd any requests for just a MySQL developer or DBA (as for example it happ=
ens for Oracle), but it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert.
I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS (Oracle and=
DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few weeks, I'd like to know whe=
ther and why it's so important to learn Php as well. It would be so diffi=
cult to find a job as MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as well.
Thanks!


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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?

At 09:00 AM 7/15/2010, alba\.albetti wrote:
>Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for developers
>working on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things linked? I mean I've not
>found any requests for just a MySQL developer or DBA (as for example it
>happens for Oracle), but it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert.
>I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS (Oracle and
>DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few weeks, I'd like to know
>whether and why it's so important to learn Php as well. It would be so
>difficult to find a job as MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as well.
>Thanks!

Since both MySQL and PHP are open source, and a large percentage of
websites are developed in PHP, the natural choice would be to use MySQL
with PHP. You would only need to learn PHP if you are working in an
environment that builds web pages.

Mike


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RE: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?

MySQL and PHP go together very well in the web development world. Almost
all of PHP websites use MySQL as their database storage engine, as almost
all hosting companies have installed PHP and MySQL on their servers.

Maybe the jobs you're looking at, are for programmers/developers, who can
take care of the mysql as well?



Steven Staples



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> Subject: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?
>
> Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for developers
> working on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things linked? I mean I've not
> found any requests for just a MySQL developer or DBA (as for example it
> happens for Oracle), but it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert.
> I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS (Oracle and
> DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few weeks, I'd like to know
> whether and why it's so important to learn Php as well. It would be so
> difficult to find a job as MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as
well.
> Thanks!
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RE: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: alba.albetti [mailto:alba.albetti@libero.it]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:00 AM
> To: mysql
> Subject: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?
>
> Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for
> developers working on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things
> linked? I mean I've not found any requests for just a MySQL
> developer or DBA (as for example it happens for Oracle), but
> it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert.
> I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS
> (Oracle and DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few
> weeks, I'd like to know whether and why it's so important to
> learn Php as well. It would be so difficult to find a job as
> MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as well.
> Thanks!

I would say it's a combination of things.

MySQL is pretty much fire and forget for the most part for most sites.
Unless you're dealing with HUGE amounts of data or massive amounts of hits,
you rarely have to configure or "DBA" it.

Oracle on the other hand is this huge mega-monstrosity that costs millions
of dollars to implement and therefore you want someone presumably trained
so they don't brick your box.

With mySQL, if you "brick" the box, you pretty much just setup a new LAMP
install and put your DB backups on.

I'm of course oversimplifying.


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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?

It's not so much that MySQL goes with PHP as much as PHP goes with
MySQL. PHP applications are, for the most part, not that ambitious
and mysql is simply the most accessible database with the best
developed API.

I have developed applications using MySQL as a back end under a huge
number of environments/frameworks/languages. Don't limit yourself to
PHP just because it is perceived to be common practice.

- michael dykman


I have used MySQL as a database in a huge variety of environments

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: alba.albetti [mailto:alba.albetti@libero.it]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:00 AM
>> To: mysql
>> Subject: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?
>>
>> Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for
>> developers working on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things
>> linked? I mean I've not found any requests for just a MySQL
>> developer or DBA (as for example it happens for Oracle), but
>> it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert.
>> I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS
>> (Oracle and DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few
>> weeks, I'd like to know whether and why it's so important to
>> learn Php as well. It would be so difficult to find a job as
>> MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as well.
>> Thanks!
>
> I would say it's a combination of things.
>
> MySQL is pretty much fire and forget for the most part for most sites.
> Unless you're dealing with HUGE amounts of data or massive amounts of hit=
s,
> you rarely have to configure or "DBA" it.
>
> Oracle on the other hand is this huge mega-monstrosity that costs million=
s
> of dollars to implement and therefore you want someone presumably trained
> so they don't brick your box.
>
> With mySQL, if you "brick" the box, you pretty much just setup a new LAMP
> install and put your DB backups on.
>
> I'm of course oversimplifying.
>
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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:00 AM, alba.albetti wrot=
e:
> Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for developers wor=
king on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things linked? I mean I've not found=
any requests for just a MySQL developer or DBA (as for example it happens =
for Oracle), but it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert.
> I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS (Oracle and=
DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few weeks, I'd like to know wheth=
er and why it's so important to learn Php as well. It would be so difficult=
to find a job as MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as well.
> Thanks!
>

There are numerous good reasons why there is this correlation. I would
like to propose one that has not been mentioned. PHP is a mess. For
several years PHP put food on my table and I respect it for what it
is, but it really is a mess. Whether it is inconsistencies in function
parameters or looseness in how it deal with data that does not quite
fit, it is a mess.

I think MySQL is historically similar. Both are very weakly typed and
can produce surprises because of it. Both seem like they are designed
for quick productivity.

It seems like PostgreSQL has significant mindshare amongst Perl and C++ use=
rs...

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RE: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?

[snip]
PHP applications are, for the most part, not that ambitious
and mysql is simply the most accessible database with the best
developed API.
[/snip]

I know that you said "for the most part" and you are absolutely correct.
I just want to point out that there are many corporations relying on PHP
and MySQL to deliver robust, scalable and enterprise capable
applications each and every day.

I suppose that is part of the appeal - low barriers to entry with
infinite possibilities.

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RE: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:jblanchard@pocket.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 5:25 AM
> To: Michael Dykman; mysql
> Subject: RE: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?
>
> [snip]
> PHP applications are, for the most part, not that ambitious
> and mysql is simply the most accessible database with the best
> developed API.
> [/snip]
>
> I know that you said "for the most part" and you are
> absolutely correct.
> I just want to point out that there are many corporations
> relying on PHP
> and MySQL to deliver robust, scalable and enterprise capable
> applications each and every day.
>
> I suppose that is part of the appeal - low barriers to entry with
> infinite possibilities.

Yeah, I took a bit of offense to that original statement too.

I work for Panasonic Avionics, and we have no less than 12 servers here
running LAMP boxes in my department alone. They are in master/slave pairs.
We have almost 100GB of data with about 1 BILLION rows. Everytime an
aircraft lands, we get an offload about the (IFE) In Flight Entertainment
system. What movies are watched, for how long, what games were played, what
level reached, did the system reboot, was it commanded to reboot, all sorts
of things. We get about an offload per minute or so 24/7. These servers are
reliable and the SaaS we sell along with the IFE costs MILLIONS of dollars
per airline. The GUI is all PHP with some Python as the backend to parse
the offloads. We run Ubuntu 8.04LTS.

When I founded WildTangent, everything there was LAMP boxes. All the games
checked into a LAMP server. All the backend tools we created were LAMP.
They switched to IIS I believe a few years ago because I can only assume
that Alex St. John (the creator of DirectX) is a Microsoft guy, and our
game technology is based upon Microsoft tech, so it probably didn't look so
good to be running Linux for them. ;-)

At Lockdown Networks, we sold $50k rack mount units that were all LAMP
based with Ruby backends. These units secured many of the worlds networks
from banks to nuclear reactors to colleges to government/military agencies.

In all cases, we could have spent thousands to millions on Oracle servers
or used the free alternatives like Postgress. We researched and CHOSE to
use mySQL -- even paying the licensing fees at Lockdown over porting to
Postgress (which we seriously looked into)

So, I think someone needs to recognize that mySQL and PHP are extremely
powerful and robust tools and are used in VERY ambitious projects. ;-)

d

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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?

I realize this is somewhat off-topic for this list but:

I too have extensive experience with PHP/MySQL used in large scale
projects but I have experience with other languages and frameworks as
well.

I merely wished to dispel the common, newb impression that PHP is the
only realistic choice.

- md

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:jblanchard@pocket.com]
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 5:25 AM
>> To: Michael Dykman; mysql
>> Subject: RE: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?
>>
>> [snip]
>> PHP applications are, for the most part, not that ambitious
>> and mysql is simply the most accessible database with the best
>> developed API.
>> [/snip]
>>
>> I know that you said "for the most part" and you are
>> absolutely correct.
>> I just want to point out that there are many corporations
>> relying on PHP
>> and MySQL to deliver robust, scalable and enterprise capable
>> applications each and every day.
>>
>> I suppose that is part of the appeal - low barriers to entry with
>> infinite possibilities.
>
> Yeah, I took a bit of offense to that original statement too.
>
> I work for Panasonic Avionics, and we have no less than 12 servers here
> running LAMP boxes in my department alone. They are in master/slave pairs=
..
> We have almost 100GB of data with about 1 BILLION rows. Everytime an
> aircraft lands, we get an offload about the (IFE) In Flight Entertainment
> system. What movies are watched, for how long, what games were played, wh=
at
> level reached, did the system reboot, was it commanded to reboot, all sor=
ts
> of things. We get about an offload per minute or so 24/7. These servers a=
re
> reliable and the SaaS we sell along with the IFE costs MILLIONS of dollar=
s
> per airline. The GUI is all PHP with some Python as the backend to parse
> the offloads. We run Ubuntu 8.04LTS.
>
> When I founded WildTangent, everything there was LAMP boxes. All the game=
s
> checked into a LAMP server. All the backend tools we created were LAMP.
> They switched to IIS I believe a few years ago because I can only assume
> that Alex St. John (the creator of DirectX) is a Microsoft guy, and our
> game technology is based upon Microsoft tech, so it probably didn't look =
so
> good to be running Linux for them. ;-)
>
> At Lockdown Networks, we sold $50k rack mount units that were all LAMP
> based with Ruby backends. These units secured many of the worlds networks
> from banks to nuclear reactors to colleges to government/military agencie=
s.
>
> In all cases, we could have spent thousands to millions on Oracle servers
> or used the free alternatives like Postgress. We researched and CHOSE to
> use mySQL -- even paying the licensing fees at Lockdown over porting to
> Postgress (which we seriously looked into)
>
> So, I think someone needs to recognize that mySQL and PHP are extremely
> powerful and robust tools and are used in VERY ambitious projects. ;-)
>
> d
>
> http://daevid.com
>
> There are only 11 types of people in this world. Those that think binary
> jokes are funny, those that don't, and those that don't know binary.
>
>



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deletes from a VERY large table

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I have to delete old records from a very large table (1.6billion rows)
in a stored procedure.

CREATE TABLE mytable(
id BIGINT(20) UNSIGNED NOT NULL DEFAULT 0,
unix_time INT(11) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0,
value DOUBLE (20, 4) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0.0000,
UNIQUE INDEX history_1 USING BTREE (id, unix_time)
)
ENGINE = INNODB;

So I can get the unix time string I use a variable:
DECLARE UnixTime BIGINT(20);
SET UnixTime = UNIX_TIMESTAMP(DATE_SUB(now(), INTERVAL 30 DAY));

So now I can do my delete query. For now I made a temp table:
CREATE TEMPORARY TABLE historyDropper(
id BIGINT(20) NOT NULL,
UNIQUE INDEX index1 USING BTREE (id)
);

And load it with all the unique id I want to delete, then join that to
my huge table:

SET @sql = CONCAT('DELETE h.* FROM mytable h inner join historyDropper
hd on h.id = hd.id WHERE unix_time < ', UnixTime, ' ');
PREPARE s1 FROM @sql;
EXECUTE s1;
DEALLOCATE PREPARE s1;

My question is, is this the most efficient way to delete data older than
a certain unix_timestamp out of s huge table?
Would it be better to loop thru each unique id and delete all the items
older? Is there a utility or command line or mysql dump and restore
method that is faster?

Thanks for the tips,
Bryancan

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RE: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?

[snip]
I merely wished to dispel the common, newb impression that PHP is the
only realistic choice.
[/snip]

I don't think that is the impression but I think that the low barrier to
entry and extensive support community make PHP a widely acceptable
choice. I have seen many a newb turned off by the communities
surrounding other languages (I have seen it in PHP too) but by and large
the PHP community is pretty accepting and willing to teach young
programmers how to fish.

You always have to use the right tool for the job though. The question
is "are we teaching the inexperienced programmers what the right tools
are?

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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?

> From: "Jay Blanchard"
>
> You always have to use the right tool for the job though. The question
> is "are we teaching the inexperienced programmers what the right tools
> are?

I doubt it!

PHP looks a lot like C, and people are taught C in college.

So instead of working with something more abstract (like Smalltalk,
Ruby, et. al.) they slog through the bits with a relatively low-level
language like PHP.

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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?

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Jay,

PHP is a WEB based Server Side scripting Language.

Do not compare it with C. C is a middle -level System programming language.

Please stop comparing.

On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jan Steinman wrote:

> From: "Jay Blanchard"
>>
>>
>> You always have to use the right tool for the job though. The question
>> is "are we teaching the inexperienced programmers what the right tools
>> are?
>>
>
> I doubt it!
>
> PHP looks a lot like C, and people are taught C in college.
>
> So instead of working with something more abstract (like Smalltalk, Ruby,
> et. al.) they slog through the bits with a relatively low-level language
> like PHP.
>
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RE: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?

[snip]
Jay,

PHP is a WEB based Server Side scripting Language.

Do not compare it with C. C is a middle -level System programming
language.

Please stop comparing.
[/snip]

The statements about C were not mine, it was just the way that the
thread was snipped together. Believe me when I say that I know my
languages, I have been in this business for 30 years and up until
recently even maintained legacy Fortran code.

But you are incorrect, PHP is not just a WEB based Server Side scripting
language and like most languages it shares, and therefore can be
compared to, traits with other languages like C.

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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?

On 22 Jul 10, at 01:25, Anirudh Sundar wrote:

> Jay,

Actually, that was my comment.

> Do not compare it with C. C is a middle -level System programming
> language.

PHP's syntax is very much like C.

My point, which I guess wasn't clear, is that one of the reasons PHP
is popular (among the many pointed out by others) is that its syntax
resembles a language that many people know, as I pointed out:

> PHP looks a lot like C, and people are taught C in college.


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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?

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Jay,

I am not incorrect.

PHP and C work on different domains.

SO ONE CANNOT COMPARE PHP WITH C. PHP IS A FULLY EVOLVED OBJECT ORIENTED
SERVER SIDE SCRIPTING LANGUAGE.

JUST BECAUSE PHP SYNTAX RESEMBLES C, DOES NOT MAKE IT LESS POWERFUL OR
INFERIOR OR LESS SCALABLE.

PHP IS INDEED A SELF SUFFICIENT PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE.

Anirudh Sundar.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Jay Blanchard wrote:

> [snip]
> Jay,
>
> PHP is a WEB based Server Side scripting Language.
>
> Do not compare it with C. C is a middle -level System programming
> language.
>
> Please stop comparing.
> [/snip]
>
> The statements about C were not mine, it was just the way that the
> thread was snipped together. Believe me when I say that I know my
> languages, I have been in this business for 30 years and up until
> recently even maintained legacy Fortran code.
>
> But you are incorrect, PHP is not just a WEB based Server Side scripting
> language and like most languages it shares, and therefore can be
> compared to, traits with other languages like C.
>

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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?

On 22 Jul 10, at 21:01, Anirudh Sundar wrote:

> SO ONE CANNOT COMPARE PHP WITH C.

I can compare anything I want to -- I took a poetry class in college!
("Her teeth were like the stars, 'cause they came out at night." :-)

If you STOP SHOUTING, people might take you more seriously.

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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?

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Now ur shouting ;) ;) ;) i was not..... haha

U can say anything an escape with it without being brushed.....go an take
poetry...where u can anything with any other thing...hehehe

Cheers,
Anirudh Sundar


On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jan Steinman wrote:

>
> On 22 Jul 10, at 21:01, Anirudh Sundar wrote:
>
> SO ONE CANNOT COMPARE PHP WITH C.
>>
>
> I can compare anything I want to -- I took a poetry class in college! ("Her
> teeth were like the stars, 'cause they came out at night." :-)
>
> If you STOP SHOUTING, people might take you more seriously.
>
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> From: Jan@bytesmiths.com
> To: mysql@lists.mysql.com
> Subject: Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
> Date: Thu=2C 22 Jul 2010 22:23:50 -0700
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> On 22 Jul 10=2C at 21:01=2C Anirudh Sundar wrote:
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> > SO ONE CANNOT COMPARE PHP WITH C.
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> I can compare anything I want to -- I took a poetry class in college!=20
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> If you STOP SHOUTING=2C people might take you more seriously.
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