Death of MySQL popularity?

http://www.mysql.com/products/

So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? And you won't be
able to connect using MySQL Workbench (and presumably apps like MySQL
Query Browser)? Otherwise you have to shell out $2k? Wow. I think
it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres...

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Re: Death of MySQL popularity?

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You may want to read that again, but with your glasses on :-)

"Subscription" means roughly "commercial support". The (1) subscript means
"Features only available in Commercial Editions", and is noted *only* for
Workbench SE, Enterprise Monitor, Enterprise Backup and Cluster Manager.

I will join you in wondering whether that means Workbench is gonna go
payware, though.



On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Christoph Boget
wrote:

> http://www.mysql.com/products/
>
> So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? And you won't be
> able to connect using MySQL Workbench (and presumably apps like MySQL
> Query Browser)? Otherwise you have to shell out $2k? Wow. I think
> it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres...
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Re: Death of MySQL popularity?

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And here's the answer to that, too:

MySQL Workbench is available in two editions, the GPL =93Community Edition=
=94
> and the commercial =93Standard Edition=94.
> The MySQL Workbench Community Edition can be downloaded from the MySQL
> Developer Site .
> MySQL Workbench Standard Edition can be purchased online at http://shop.m=
ysql.com
>
>

Honestly, would a little googling kill you ?


On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Johan De Meersman wrot=
e:

> You may want to read that again, but with your glasses on :-)
>
> "Subscription" means roughly "commercial support". The (1) subscript mean=
s
> "Features only available in Commercial Editions", and is noted *only* for
> Workbench SE, Enterprise Monitor, Enterprise Backup and Cluster Manager.
>
> I will join you in wondering whether that means Workbench is gonna go
> payware, though.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Christoph Boget <
> christoph.boget@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.mysql.com/products/
>>
>> So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? And you won't be
>> able to connect using MySQL Workbench (and presumably apps like MySQL
>> Query Browser)? Otherwise you have to shell out $2k? Wow. I think
>> it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres...
>>
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Re: Death of MySQL popularity?

Hi!


Christoph Boget wrote:
> http://www.mysql.com/products/
>
> So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? [[...]]

Totally wrong.
"Classic" is the name of a configuration for commercial customers
(typically: for use in embedded applications) that refers to the
pre-InnoDB times.
It is available for years already, always without InnoDB.

"Classic" is totally different from "community".

I am not aware of any upcoming changes in the community edition, neither
in features nor in availability.


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Re: Death of MySQL popularity?

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Christoph Boget
wrote:
> I think
> it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres...

Even though all the info you provided is extremely
exaggerated...switching all my databases to PostgreSQL has been the
best thing I've done in years. It's IMO far superior but I'm not
trying to start a debate or flame war. It just works amazing and the
SQL structure far exceeds what MySQL did for me.

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Re: Death of MySQL popularity?

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On the other hand, they've only with this release managed to implement live
log shipping, among other things :-)

Both are bound to have pros and cons.


On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Carlos Mennens wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Christoph Boget
> wrote:
> > I think
> > it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres...
>
> Even though all the info you provided is extremely
> exaggerated...switching all my databases to PostgreSQL has been the
> best thing I've done in years. It's IMO far superior but I'm not
> trying to start a debate or flame war. It just works amazing and the
> SQL structure far exceeds what MySQL did for me.
>
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RE: Death of MySQL popularity?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: vegivamp@gmail.com [mailto:vegivamp@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Johan De Meersman
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:26 AM
> To: jcboget@yahoo.com
> Cc: MySQL
> Subject: Re: Death of MySQL popularity?
>
> You may want to read that again, but with your glasses on :-)
>
> "Subscription" means roughly "commercial support". The (1)
> subscript means
> "Features only available in Commercial Editions", and is
> noted *only* for
> Workbench SE, Enterprise Monitor, Enterprise Backup and
> Cluster Manager.
>
> I will join you in wondering whether that means Workbench is gonna go
> payware, though.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Christoph Boget
> wrote:
>
> > http://www.mysql.com/products/
> >
> > So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? And
> you won't be
> > able to connect using MySQL Workbench (and presumably apps
> like MySQL
> > Query Browser)? Otherwise you have to shell out $2k? Wow. I think
> > it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres...



So there definitely is some confusion out there. Can someone from the
@mysql / @oracle camp please confirm or deny the allegations?

http://blog.herlein.com/2010/11/oracle-is-the-borg-enterpris e-software-deve
lopment-will-be-assimilated/

http://digitizor.com/2010/11/05/innodb-dropped-from-oracle-m ysql-classic-ed
ition/


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Re: Death of MySQL popularity?

I think Jorge Bruehe already has weighed in. That is about as direct
as you are likely to hear unless you have Larry Ellison on facebook.

- michael dykman


On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vegivamp@gmail.com [mailto:vegivamp@gmail.com] On
>> Behalf Of Johan De Meersman
>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:26 AM
>> To: jcboget@yahoo.com
>> Cc: MySQL
>> Subject: Re: Death of MySQL popularity?
>>
>> You may want to read that again, but with your glasses on :-)
>>
>> "Subscription" means roughly "commercial support". The (1)
>> subscript means
>> "Features only available in Commercial Editions", and is
>> noted *only* for
>> Workbench SE, Enterprise Monitor, Enterprise Backup and
>> Cluster Manager.
>>
>> I will join you in wondering whether that means Workbench is gonna go
>> payware, though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Christoph Boget
>> wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.mysql.com/products/
>> >
>> > So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? =A0And
>> you won't be
>> > able to connect using MySQL Workbench (and presumably apps
>> like MySQL
>> > Query Browser)? =A0Otherwise you have to shell out $2k? =A0Wow. =A0I t=
hink
>> > it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres...
>
>
>
> So there definitely is some confusion out there. Can someone from the
> @mysql / @oracle camp please confirm or deny the allegations?
>
> http://blog.herlein.com/2010/11/oracle-is-the-borg-enterpris e-software-de=
ve
> lopment-will-be-assimilated/
>
> http://digitizor.com/2010/11/05/innodb-dropped-from-oracle-m ysql-classic-=
ed
> ition/
>
>
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Re: Death of MySQL popularity?

I was a MySQL Sales Engineer up til a few weeks ago. I spent 6+ year at
MySQL. MySQL Classic never ever had InnoDB in it. Actually, the reason
for the existence of MySQL Classic was just that: MySQL without InnoDB
for OEMs.

If you wanted a non-GPL MySQL, you had to pay for it. And if MySQL
wanted a non-GPL InnoDB (in the old days, before Oracle), MySQL had to
pay for it. So for the customers that only embedded MyISAM, they could
get by by not having InnoDB included, which would lower the cost for
MySQL, as there was no InnoDB licence to pay.

Note in the above that this is OEM / Embedded only. For MySQL Enterprise
customers InnoDB was always included. Why? Because this was a GPL
distribution, using a GPL InnoDB, so no need for a InnoDB licence.
Simple as that.

In the old scheme then, when I was around, MySQL came in a few different
shapes:
- MySQL Embedded / OEM
-- With or without InnoDB. Two different prices (MySQL Classic being the
low end then). Commercial icence.
- MySQL Enterprise
-- The "supported" MySQL version. Different flavours mainly using
different SLAs and different MySQL Enterprise Monitor functionalities.
GPL Licence.
- MySQL Community Edition - The "good old" GPL downloadable version. GPL
Licence.

/Karlsson
Michael Dykman skrev 2010-11-08 22:47:
> I think Jorge Bruehe already has weighed in. That is about as direct
> as you are likely to hear unless you have Larry Ellison on facebook.
>
> - michael dykman
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vegivamp@gmail.com [mailto:vegivamp@gmail.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Johan De Meersman
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:26 AM
>>> To: jcboget@yahoo.com
>>> Cc: MySQL
>>> Subject: Re: Death of MySQL popularity?
>>>
>>> You may want to read that again, but with your glasses on :-)
>>>
>>> "Subscription" means roughly "commercial support". The (1)
>>> subscript means
>>> "Features only available in Commercial Editions", and is
>>> noted *only* for
>>> Workbench SE, Enterprise Monitor, Enterprise Backup and
>>> Cluster Manager.
>>>
>>> I will join you in wondering whether that means Workbench is gonna go
>>> payware, though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Christoph Boget
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.mysql.com/products/
>>>>
>>>> So the free version is going to include only MyISAM? And
>>> you won't be
>>>> able to connect using MySQL Workbench (and presumably apps
>>> like MySQL
>>>> Query Browser)? Otherwise you have to shell out $2k? Wow. I think
>>>> it might be time to start seriously looking at Postgres...
>>
>>
>> So there definitely is some confusion out there. Can someone from the
>> @mysql / @oracle camp please confirm or deny the allegations?
>>
>> http://blog.herlein.com/2010/11/oracle-is-the-borg-enterpris e-software-deve
>> lopment-will-be-assimilated/
>>
>> http://digitizor.com/2010/11/05/innodb-dropped-from-oracle-m ysql-classic-ed
>> ition/
>>
>>
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