RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 08.04.2011 03:32:04 von Gavin Flower

Hi Neil,

My original email may have been eaten: as it did not appear on the list, nor did I get an error message back. So perhaps there was a problem with the attached files.

I will resend the attachments one at a time in separate emails.


Cheers,
Gavin

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Hi Neil,

Your help (or anybody else's) would be greatly appreciated, yet again!

This morning, I noticed my system was extremely unresponsive, and that there were clicking sounds coming from one of my 5 hard drives. Also that there was excessive disk I/O even for trivial things like bring up a directory window, and lots of ata3 errors being reported to the system log. These symptoms were mostly during a raid check process.

Somewhere along the way, I seemed to have lost my swap partition!

So I did some extensive investigations, which took most of the day. My notes were created in OpenDocument format using LibreOffice, but I have converted them to txt format for the include - but I can supply the ,odt file if requested.

I Have included 2 files:
my notes: raid-notes-20110407a.txt
selected log entries: messages-gcf-20110407-ATA

If there are some additional diagnostics that might prove useful, please let me know.


Cheers,
Gavin
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 08.04.2011 03:34:23 von Gavin Flower

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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 08.04.2011 04:01:13 von Gavin Flower

Hi Neil,

Looks like the log file was simply too big.

Here are the initial and ending lines:

Cheers,
Gavin

output of:
grep -i ATA /var/log/messages

Apr 4 00:46:18 saturn kernel: [58150.946089] pata_atiixp 0000:00:14.1:=
PCI INT A disabled
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.620996] pata_atiixp 0000:00:14.1:=
PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.776364] ata6.00: ACPI cmd ef/03:0=
c:00:00:00:a0 (SET FEATURES) filtered out
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.776367] ata6.00: ACPI cmd ef/03:4=
6:00:00:00:a0 (SET FEATURES) filtered out
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.776370] ata6.00: ACPI cmd f5/00:0=
0:00:00:00:a0 (SECURITY FREEZE LOCK) filtered out
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.792475] ata5.00: ACPI cmd ef/03:0=
c:00:00:00:a0 (SET FEATURES) filtered out
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.792478] ata5.00: ACPI cmd ef/03:4=
2:00:00:00:a0 (SET FEATURES) filtered out
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.792481] ata5.00: ACPI cmd f5/00:0=
0:00:00:00:a0 (SECURITY FREEZE LOCK) filtered out
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.814455] ata5.00: configured for U=
DMA/33
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.850339] ata6.00: configured for U=
DMA/100
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.864031] ata3: softreset failed (d=
evice not ready)
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.864035] ata4: softreset failed (d=
evice not ready)
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.864038] ata3: applying SB600 PMP =
SRST workaround and retrying
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.864040] ata4: applying SB600 PMP =
SRST workaround and retrying
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.864059] ata2: softreset failed (d=
evice not ready)
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.864061] ata1: softreset failed (d=
evice not ready)
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.864063] ata2: applying SB600 PMP =
SRST workaround and retrying
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58151.864065] ata1: applying SB600 PMP =
SRST workaround and retrying
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58152.019042] ata2: SATA link up 3.0 Gb=
ps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58152.019046] ata4: SATA link up 3.0 Gb=
ps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58152.019070] ata3: SATA link up 3.0 Gb=
ps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58152.019079] ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gb=
ps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58152.021363] ata3.00: configured for U=
DMA/133
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58152.085139] ata4.00: configured for U=
DMA/133
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58152.085152] ata1.00: configured for U=
DMA/133
Apr 4 00:46:19 saturn kernel: [58152.085165] ata2.00: configured for U=
DMA/133
[...]
Apr 7 14:41:58 saturn kernel: [231943.624749] ata3: hard resetting lin=
k
Apr 7 14:42:05 saturn kernel: [231950.625059] ata3: SATA link up 1.5 G=
bps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
Apr 7 14:42:05 saturn kernel: [231950.635608] ata3.00: configured for =
UDMA/33
Apr 7 14:42:05 saturn kernel: [231950.635617] ata3: EH complete
Apr 7 14:42:05 saturn kernel: [231950.654531] ata3.00: exception Emask=
0x50 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x90a00 action 0xe frozen
Apr 7 14:42:05 saturn kernel: [231950.654535] ata3.00: irq_stat 0x0140=
0000, PHY RDY changed
Apr 7 14:42:05 saturn kernel: [231950.654538] ata3: SError: { Persist =
HostInt PHYRdyChg 10B8B }
Apr 7 14:42:05 saturn kernel: [231950.654541] ata3.00: failed command:=
READ FPDMA QUEUED
Apr 7 14:42:05 saturn kernel: [231950.654546] ata3.00: cmd 60/80:00:f0=
:21:3b/00:00:1c:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 65536 in
Apr 7 14:42:05 saturn kernel: [231950.654547] res 40/00:00:f0=
:21:3b/00:00:1c:00:00/40 Emask 0x50 (ATA bus error)
Apr 7 14:42:05 saturn kernel: [231950.654550] ata3.00: status: { DRDY =
}
Apr 7 14:42:05 saturn kernel: [231950.654554] ata3: hard resetting lin=
k
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.654285] ata3: SATA link up 1.5 G=
bps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.666115] ata3.00: configured for =
UDMA/33
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.666123] ata3: EH complete
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756013] ata3.00: exception Emask=
0x50 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x90a00 action 0xe frozen
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756016] ata3.00: irq_stat 0x0140=
0000, PHY RDY changed
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756020] ata3: SError: { Persist =
HostInt PHYRdyChg 10B8B }
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756023] ata3.00: failed command:=
READ FPDMA QUEUED
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756028] ata3.00: cmd 60/80:00:f0=
:24:3b/00:00:1c:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 65536 in
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756029] res 40/00:00:f0=
:24:3b/00:00:1c:00:00/40 Emask 0x50 (ATA bus error)
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756032] ata3.00: status: { DRDY =
}
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756037] ata3: hard resetting lin=
k
Apr 7 14:42:16 saturn kernel: [231961.389026] ata3: softreset failed (=
device not ready)
Apr 7 14:42:16 saturn kernel: [231961.389032] ata3: applying SB600 PMP=
SRST workaround and retrying
Apr 7 14:42:16 saturn kernel: [231961.544030] ata3: SATA link up 1.5 G=
bps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
Apr 7 14:42:16 saturn kernel: [231961.546323] ata3.00: configured for =
UDMA/33
Apr 7 14:42:16 saturn kernel: [231961.546331] ata3: EH complete

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--- On Fri, 8/4/11, Gavin Flower wrote:

> From: Gavin Flower
> Subject: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, syste=
m unresponsive
> To: neilb@suse.de
> Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
> Date: Friday, 8 April, 2011, 13:32
[...]
> My original email may have been eaten: as it did not appear
> on the list, nor did I get an error message back.=A0 So
> perhaps there was a problem with the attached files.
>=20
> I will resend the attachments one at a time in separate
> emails.
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 08.04.2011 11:34:26 von NeilBrown

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Gavin Flower
wrote:

> Hi Neil,
>
> My original email may have been eaten: as it did not appear on the list, nor did I get an error message back. So perhaps there was a problem with the attached files.
>
> I will resend the attachments one at a time in separate emails.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Gavin
>
> [begin original]
> Hi Neil,
>
> Your help (or anybody else's) would be greatly appreciated, yet again

Hi Gavin,
it isn't clear to me what help you want.

Obviously there is some sort of hardware issue - possible a drive, possibly a
bus problem - I really don't know.

Apart from that things look normal.

What exactly did you want explained?

NeilBrown


>
> This morning, I noticed my system was extremely unresponsive, and that there were clicking sounds coming from one of my 5 hard drives. Also that there was excessive disk I/O even for trivial things like bring up a directory window, and lots of ata3 errors being reported to the system log. These symptoms were mostly during a raid check process.
>
> Somewhere along the way, I seemed to have lost my swap partition!
>
> So I did some extensive investigations, which took most of the day. My notes were created in OpenDocument format using LibreOffice, but I have converted them to txt format for the include - but I can supply the ,odt file if requested.
>
> I Have included 2 files:
> my notes: raid-notes-20110407a.txt
> selected log entries: messages-gcf-20110407-ATA
>
> If there are some additional diagnostics that might prove useful, please let me know.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Gavin
> [end original]
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 08.04.2011 11:59:52 von Gavin Flower

--- On Fri, 8/4/11, NeilBrown wrote:

> From: NeilBrown
> Subject: Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, s=
ystem unresponsive
> To: "Gavin Flower"
> Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
> Date: Friday, 8 April, 2011, 21:34
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:32:04 -0700
> (PDT) Gavin Flower
> wrote:
>=20
> > Hi Neil,
> >=20
> > My original email may have been eaten: as it did not
> appear on the list, nor did I get an error message
> back.=A0 So perhaps there was a problem with the attached
> files.
> >=20
> > I will resend the attachments one at a time in
> separate emails.
> >=20
> >=20
> > Cheers,
> > Gavin
> >=20
> > [begin original]
> > Hi Neil,
> >=20
> > Your help (or anybody else's) would be greatly
> appreciated, yet again
>=20
> Hi Gavin,
> it isn't clear to me what help you want.
>=20
> Obviously there is some sort of hardware issue - possible a
> drive, possibly a
> bus problem - I really don't know.
>=20
> Apart from that things look normal.
>=20
> What exactly did you want explained?
>=20
> NeilBrown

I guess I was surprised that the RAID system appeared normal and that i=
t did not register any errors. I was hoping to get an idea as to which=
drive was problematic.

I get the feeling, from your reply, that this is not specifically a RAI=
D problem, that it just happens to affect a RAID array.

I had thought that the RAID system should have been able to give me bet=
ter diagnostics, but possibly I am being (inadvertently) unreasonable!

Not sure what the significance of this mismatch is, and what I should d=
o about it.
# cat /sys/block/md2/md/mismatch_cnt=20
28904=20
#=20


Thanks,
Gavin

> >=20
> > This morning, I noticed my system was extremely
> unresponsive, and that there were clicking sounds coming
> from one of my 5 hard drives.=A0 Also that there was
> excessive disk I/O even for trivial things like bring up a
> directory window, and lots of ata3 errors being reported to
> the system log.=A0 These symptoms were mostly during a
> raid check process.
> >=20
> > Somewhere along the way, I seemed to have lost my swap
> partition!
> >=20
> > So I did some extensive investigations, which took
> most of the day.=A0 My notes were created in OpenDocument
> format using LibreOffice, but I have converted them to txt
> format for the include - but I can supply the ,odt file if
> requested.
> >=20
> > I Have included 2 files:
> >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> my notes: raid-notes-20110407a.txt
> >=A0 =A0 selected log entries:
> messages-gcf-20110407-ATA
> >=20
> > If there are some additional diagnostics that might
> prove useful, please let me know.
> >=20
> >=20
> > Cheers,
> > Gavin
> > [end original]
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 08.04.2011 13:50:00 von NeilBrown

On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 02:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Gavin Flower com>
wrote:

>=20
> --- On Fri, 8/4/11, NeilBrown wrote:
>=20
> > From: NeilBrown
> > Subject: Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds,=
system unresponsive
> > To: "Gavin Flower"
> > Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
> > Date: Friday, 8 April, 2011, 21:34
> > On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:32:04 -0700
> > (PDT) Gavin Flower
> > wrote:
> >=20
> > > Hi Neil,
> > >=20
> > > My original email may have been eaten: as it did not
> > appear on the list, nor did I get an error message
> > back.=A0 So perhaps there was a problem with the attached
> > files.
> > >=20
> > > I will resend the attachments one at a time in
> > separate emails.
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > Cheers,
> > > Gavin
> > >=20
> > > [begin original]
> > > Hi Neil,
> > >=20
> > > Your help (or anybody else's) would be greatly
> > appreciated, yet again
> >=20
> > Hi Gavin,
> > it isn't clear to me what help you want.
> >=20
> > Obviously there is some sort of hardware issue - possible a
> > drive, possibly a
> > bus problem - I really don't know.
> >=20
> > Apart from that things look normal.
> >=20
> > What exactly did you want explained?
> >=20
> > NeilBrown
>=20
> I guess I was surprised that the RAID system appeared normal and that=
it did not register any errors. I was hoping to get an idea as to whi=
ch drive was problematic.

sdc2 was reporting read error. md/raid6 computed the data from the oth=
er
devices and wrote it back to sdc2. This appeared to work so md/raid6 a=
ssumed
everything was fine again. It reported this:

Apr 7 08:42:08 saturn kernel: [210414.109880] md/raid:md1: read error =
corrected (8 sectors at 17195840 on sdc2)=20

but didn't fail anything.


>=20
> I get the feeling, from your reply, that this is not specifically a R=
AID problem, that it just happens to affect a RAID array.

No, it was clearly a disk-drive problem.
e.g.
Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756023] ata3.00: failed command:=
READ FPDMA QUEUED

a READ command sent to a n 'ata' device failed. i.e. disk error.

>=20
> I had thought that the RAID system should have been able to give me b=
etter diagnostics, but possibly I am being (inadvertently) unreasonable=
!

Well.... it did tell you that it got a read error and corrected it.


>=20
> Not sure what the significance of this mismatch is, and what I should=
do about it.
> # cat /sys/block/md2/md/mismatch_cnt=20
> 28904=20
> #=20

I'm not sure if read errors end up counting as mismatches.. They seem =
to for
raid1. The raid6 code is more complex and I don't feel like decoding i=
t
right now.

In terms of "what to do about it" - the first thing must be to fix sdc.
Maybe there is a loose cable or a broken cable. Maybe the device needs=
to be
replaced.

Once you have resolved that and are fairly sure yours drives are all wo=
rking,
echo check > /sys/block/md2/md/sync_action

once that finishes mismatch_cnt should ideally be zero. If it isn't, t=
ry
echo repair > /sys/block/md2/md/sync_action

but only do that if you are confident that your devices are good.
This will result in the same mismatch_cnt. However a subsequent 'check=
'
should then show zero.

NeilBrown



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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 11.04.2011 08:50:07 von Gavin Flower

--- On Fri, 8/4/11, NeilBrown wrote:

> From: NeilBrown
> Subject: Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, s=
ystem unresponsive
> To: "Gavin Flower"
> Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
> Date: Friday, 8 April, 2011, 23:50
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 02:59:52 -0700
> (PDT) Gavin Flower
> wrote:
>=20
> >=20
> > --- On Fri, 8/4/11, NeilBrown
> wrote:
> >=20
> > > From: NeilBrown
> > > Subject: Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2
> hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive
[...]
> > > Obviously there is some sort of hardware issue -
> possible a
> > > drive, possibly a
> > > bus problem - I really don't know.
> > >=20
> > > Apart from that things look normal.
> > >=20
> > > What exactly did you want explained?
> > >=20
> > > NeilBrown
> >=20
> > I guess I was surprised that the RAID system appeared
> normal and that it did not register any errors.=A0 I was
> hoping to get an idea as to which drive was problematic.
>=20
> sdc2 was reporting read error.=A0 md/raid6 computed the
> data from the other
> devices and wrote it back to sdc2.=A0 This appeared to
> work so md/raid6 assumed
> everything was fine again.=A0 It reported this:
>=20
> Apr=A0 7 08:42:08 saturn kernel: [210414.109880]
> md/raid:md1: read error corrected (8 sectors at 17195840 on
> sdc2)=20
>=20
> but didn't fail anything.
>=20
>=20
> >=20
> > I get the feeling, from your reply, that this is not
> specifically a RAID problem, that it just happens to affect
> a RAID array.
>=20
> No, it was clearly a disk-drive problem.
> e.g.
> Apr=A0 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756023]
> ata3.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
>=20
> a READ command sent to a n 'ata' device failed.=A0 i.e.
> disk error.
>=20
> >=20
> > I had thought that the RAID system should have been
> able to give me better diagnostics, but possibly I am being
> (inadvertently) unreasonable!
>=20
> Well.... it did tell you that it got a read error and
> corrected it.
>=20
>=20
> >=20
> > Not sure what the significance of this mismatch is,
> and what I should do about it.
> > # cat /sys/block/md2/md/mismatch_cnt=20
> > 28904=20
> > #=20
>=20
> I'm not sure if read errors end up counting as
> mismatches..=A0 They seem to for
> raid1.=A0 The raid6 code is more complex and I don't
> feel like decoding it
> right now.
>=20
> In terms of "what to do about it" - the first thing must be
> to fix sdc.
> Maybe there is a loose cable or a broken cable.=A0 Maybe
> the device needs to be
> replaced.
>=20
> Once you have resolved that and are fairly sure yours
> drives are all working,
> =A0 =A0 echo check >
> /sys/block/md2/md/sync_action
>=20
> once that finishes mismatch_cnt should ideally be
> zero.=A0 If it isn't, try
> =A0 =A0 echo repair >
> /sys/block/md2/md/sync_action
>=20
> but only do that if you are confident that your devices are
> good.
> This will result in the same mismatch_cnt.=A0 However a
> subsequent 'check'
> should then show zero.
>=20
> NeilBrown

Thanks,

I followed your suggestions and all 'appears' to be fine now.

Reality was a wee bit more dramatic than I would have liked!

Machine refused to boot this morning, complaining about disk errors. F=
ortunately, I had arranged for a hardware capable friend to come around=
He adjusted the cable on the offending drive and I ran fsck twice (=
lots of alarming messages first time). On rebooting, the system came up=
, but a video driver problem prevented the desktop from working. Fortu=
nately I was able to log in from another machine and apply your suggest=
ed remedy. After the repair, I rebooted and was able to get into my de=
sktop, subsequent checks revealed the mismatch counts to be all zero (I=
checked the failed RAID array and the other 2)


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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 12.04.2011 23:30:25 von Gavin Flower

--- On Fri, 8/4/11, NeilBrown wrote:
[...]
> No, it was clearly a disk-drive problem.
> e.g.
> Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756023]
> ata3.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
>
> a READ command sent to a n 'ata' device failed. i.e.
> disk error.
[...]

Hi Neil,

I think it is either a drive or cable problem.

However, I was wondering if /proc/mdstat could list drives in a more consistent manner. The C drive has dropped out and affected all 3 RAID partitions. A quick look at /proc/mdstat suggests that md2 & md1 have the same drive drop out [UUUU_], but a different drive for md0 [UU_UU]. In fact, the list of drives (...sda4[0] sdc4[6](F)...) is not consistent with the [UUUU_] representation even for the same mdN!

# date ; cat /proc/mdstat
Wed Apr 13 08:40:09 NZST 2011
Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]

md2 : active raid6 sda4[0] sdc4[6](F) sdd4[3] sdb4[5] sde4[1]
1114745856 blocks super 1.1 level 6, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/4] [UUUU_]
bitmap: 3/3 pages [12KB], 65536KB chunk

md1 : active raid6 sda2[0] sdc2[5](F) sdd2[3] sde2[2] sdb2[1]
307198464 blocks level 6, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/4] [UUUU_]

md0 : active raid6 sda3[0] sdb3[4] sdd3[3] sdc3[5](F) sde3[1]
10751808 blocks level 6, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/4] [UU_UU]

unused devices:
#


Regards,
Gavin


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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 13.04.2011 12:57:24 von John Robinson

On 12/04/2011 22:30, Gavin Flower wrote:
> --- On Fri, 8/4/11, NeilBrown wrote:
> [...]
>> No, it was clearly a disk-drive problem.
>> e.g.
>> Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756023]
>> ata3.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
>>
>> a READ command sent to a n 'ata' device failed. i.e.
>> disk error.
> [...]
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> I think it is either a drive or cable problem.
>
> However, I was wondering if /proc/mdstat could list drives in a more consistent manner. The C drive has dropped out and affected all 3 RAID partitions. A quick look at /proc/mdstat suggests that md2& md1 have the same drive drop out [UUUU_], but a different drive for md0 [UU_UU]. In fact, the list of drives (...sda4[0] sdc4[6](F)...) is not consistent with the [UUUU_] representation even for the same mdN!
>
> # date ; cat /proc/mdstat
> Wed Apr 13 08:40:09 NZST 2011
> Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
>
> md2 : active raid6 sda4[0] sdc4[6](F) sdd4[3] sdb4[5] sde4[1]
> 1114745856 blocks super 1.1 level 6, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/4] [UUUU_]

This looks correct: sorting the first line into md slot order we have:
md2 : active raid6 sda4[0] sde4[1] sdd4[3] sdb4[5] sdc4[6](F)
which is UUUU_

> md1 : active raid6 sda2[0] sdc2[5](F) sdd2[3] sde2[2] sdb2[1]
> 307198464 blocks level 6, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/4] [UUUU_]

Similarly:
md1 : active raid6 sda2[0] sdb2[1] sde2[2] sdd2[3] sdc2[5](F)
which is UUUU_

> md0 : active raid6 sda3[0] sdb3[4] sdd3[3] sdc3[5](F) sde3[1]
> 10751808 blocks level 6, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/4] [UU_UU]

This one I don't get:
md0 : active raid6 sda3[0] sde3[1] sdd3[3] sdb3[4] sdc3[5](F)
which ought to be UUUU_ again...

Perhaps `mdadm -D /dev/md[0-2]` would make things clearer...

Cheers,

John.

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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 13.04.2011 13:13:10 von NeilBrown

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:57:24 +0100 John Robinson
wrote:

> On 12/04/2011 22:30, Gavin Flower wrote:
> > --- On Fri, 8/4/11, NeilBrown wrote:
> > [...]
> >> No, it was clearly a disk-drive problem.
> >> e.g.
> >> Apr 7 14:42:12 saturn kernel: [231957.756023]
> >> ata3.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
> >>
> >> a READ command sent to a n 'ata' device failed. i.e.
> >> disk error.
> > [...]
> >
> > Hi Neil,
> >
> > I think it is either a drive or cable problem.
> >
> > However, I was wondering if /proc/mdstat could list drives in a more consistent manner. The C drive has dropped out and affected all 3 RAID partitions. A quick look at /proc/mdstat suggests that md2& md1 have the same drive drop out [UUUU_], but a different drive for md0 [UU_UU]. In fact, the list of drives (...sda4[0] sdc4[6](F)...) is not consistent with the [UUUU_] representation even for the same mdN!
> >
> > # date ; cat /proc/mdstat
> > Wed Apr 13 08:40:09 NZST 2011
> > Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
> >
> > md2 : active raid6 sda4[0] sdc4[6](F) sdd4[3] sdb4[5] sde4[1]
> > 1114745856 blocks super 1.1 level 6, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/4] [UUUU_]
>
> This looks correct: sorting the first line into md slot order we have:
> md2 : active raid6 sda4[0] sde4[1] sdd4[3] sdb4[5] sdc4[6](F)
> which is UUUU_
>
> > md1 : active raid6 sda2[0] sdc2[5](F) sdd2[3] sde2[2] sdb2[1]
> > 307198464 blocks level 6, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/4] [UUUU_]
>
> Similarly:
> md1 : active raid6 sda2[0] sdb2[1] sde2[2] sdd2[3] sdc2[5](F)
> which is UUUU_
>
> > md0 : active raid6 sda3[0] sdb3[4] sdd3[3] sdc3[5](F) sde3[1]
> > 10751808 blocks level 6, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/4] [UU_UU]
>
> This one I don't get:
> md0 : active raid6 sda3[0] sde3[1] sdd3[3] sdb3[4] sdc3[5](F)
> which ought to be UUUU_ again...
>
> Perhaps `mdadm -D /dev/md[0-2]` would make things clearer...
>

This is actually more horrible than you imagine.

The number [] is not the role of the device in the raid. Rather it is an
arbitrarily assigned slot number with no real meaning.

The original 0.90 metadata format has two numbers for each device.
These are in mdp_disk_t defined in include/linux/raid/md_p.h

They are 'number' which is the slot number and so is defined for spare
devices as well as active devices.
And there is the 'raid_disk' number which is the role that the device
plays in the array and is well defined for active devices and
meaningless for spares.

mdstat always showed the 'number'.

However the 0.90 format keeps 'number' and 'raid_disk' the same for active
devices (so why have two different numbers - who knows).
So people reasonably jumped to the technically wrong conclusion that the
number inside [] was the role number.

In 1.x, I keep the slot 'number' the same for the life of a device, but change
the role - from 'spare' to and active role to 'failed' - because this makes
sense.
However that means that the number in [] definitely isn't the role number any
more. It might be when the array is created, but it is not certain to stay
that way.

As the current number is pretty much useless, I should probably change it to
the slot number, or an arbitrarily assigned larger number for spares.
This would be an incompatible change, but I very much doubt anyone uses the
numbers for what they actually are, so I doubt that would really matter.

It has just never really got high on my list of priorities....

Lesson: Ignore the number in [] - it doesn't mean anything useful.

NeilBrown
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 13.04.2011 13:58:10 von John Robinson

On 13/04/2011 12:13, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:57:24 +0100 John Robinson
> wrote:
>> On 12/04/2011 22:30, Gavin Flower wrote:
[...]
>>> md0 : active raid6 sda3[0] sdb3[4] sdd3[3] sdc3[5](F) sde3[1]
>>> 10751808 blocks level 6, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/4] [UU_UU]
>>
>> This one I don't get:
>> md0 : active raid6 sda3[0] sde3[1] sdd3[3] sdb3[4] sdc3[5](F)
>> which ought to be UUUU_ again...
>>
>> Perhaps `mdadm -D /dev/md[0-2]` would make things clearer...
>
> This is actually more horrible than you imagine.

It isn't really, I was asking for the mdadm -D output precisely to get
the list of role and slot numbers, having noticed there was no slot 2 in
Gavin's setup...

[...]
> As the current number is pretty much useless, I should probably change it to
> the slot number, or an arbitrarily assigned larger number for spares.
> This would be an incompatible change, but I very much doubt anyone uses the
> numbers for what they actually are, so I doubt that would really matter.
>
> It has just never really got high on my list of priorities....
>
> Lesson: Ignore the number in [] - it doesn't mean anything useful.

It's not useless, it reflects the order in which devices were added to
the array.

Suggestion: Don't change the number in /proc/mdstat, just sort the
devices by role (i.e. the same order as the UUUU_) instead of device
node, and show spares at the end (as per your arbitrarily-assigned
larger number, which this way you never have to display).

Cheers,

John.
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 13.04.2011 22:30:10 von Gavin Flower

--- On Wed, 13/4/11, John Robinson wro=
te:

> From: John Robinson
> Subject: Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, s=
ystem unresponsive
> To: "NeilBrown"
> Cc: "Gavin Flower" , linux-raid@vger.kernel.or=
g
> Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 23:58
> On 13/04/2011 12:13, NeilBrown
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:57:24 +0100 John Robinson
> > =A0
> wrote:
> >> On 12/04/2011 22:30, Gavin Flower wrote:
> [...]
> >>> md0 : active raid6 sda3[0] sdb3[4] sdd3[3]
> sdc3[5](F) sde3[1]
> >>>=A0 =A0 =A0   =A010751808
> blocks level 6, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/4] [UU_UU]
> >>=20
> >> This one I don't get:
> >> md0 : active raid6 sda3[0] sde3[1] sdd3[3] sdb3[4]
> sdc3[5](F)
> >> which ought to be UUUU_ again...
> >>=20
> >> Perhaps `mdadm -D /dev/md[0-2]` would make things
> clearer...
> >=20
> > This is actually more horrible than you imagine.
>=20
> It isn't really, I was asking for the mdadm -D output
> precisely to get the list of role and slot numbers, having
> noticed there was no slot 2 in Gavin's setup...
>=20
> [...]
> > As the current number is pretty much useless, I should
> probably change it to
> > the slot number, or an arbitrarily assigned larger
> number for spares.
> > This would be an incompatible change, but I very much
> doubt anyone uses the
> > numbers for what they actually are, so I doubt that
> would really matter.
> >=20
> > It has just never really got high on my list of
> priorities....
> >=20
> > Lesson:=A0 Ignore the number in [] - it doesn't
> mean anything useful.
>=20
> It's not useless, it reflects the order in which devices
> were added to the array.
>=20
> Suggestion: Don't change the number in /proc/mdstat, just
> sort the devices by role (i.e. the same order as the UUUU_)
> instead of device node, and show spares at the end (as per
> your arbitrarily-assigned larger number, which this way you
> never have to display).
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> John.
>=20

The first time I saw this kind of thing: I was very worried, thinking I=
had 2 bad drives - until I looked more closely, a few hours later. I =
am sure I am not the only to initially react that way.

=46rom a user perspective, I think that the list of drives and the [UUU=
U_] string, should be ordered in the alphanumeric order of the logical =
drive names. Also modify the '[...]' string to indicate spares (not hav=
ing spares, not sure what it does now).

e.g.
/dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc[F} /dev/sdd /dev/sde[S} /dev/sdf.
would be reflected by:
[aaFaSa]

Not sure what the 'U' stood for. Marking actives disks with 'a' seems t=
o make more sense to me. The upper and lower case would make it easier=
to see what is active and what is not. Similarly, the RAID entries wo=
uld be better, from a user perspective, to be sorted on name.

There are probably lots of technical reasons this can't be done, but us=
ers don't care! :-) We just want it to look pretty, be easy to underst=
and, and not be scary.

Just my 2 pennies worth...

When I put my developer hat on, I tend to feel that users rate looking =
pretty' and 'not be scary' as being more important than 'be easy to und=
erstand' - or perhaps, I am too cynical


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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 14.04.2011 00:24:17 von Gavin Flower

--- On Fri, 8/4/11, Gavin Flower wrote:

> From: Gavin Flower
> Subject: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, syste=
m unresponsive
[...]
> This morning, I noticed my system was extremely
> unresponsive, and that there were clicking sounds coming
> from one of my 5 hard drives. 
[...]

Hi Neil,

When I do=20
badblocks -s -v /dev/sdc
I hear clicking sounds from the hard drive, and notice lots and lots of=
log messages such as:
ata3: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x90200 action 0xe frozen
ata3: irq_stat 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
ata3: SError: { Persist PHYRdyChg 10B8B }
ata3: hard resetting link
ata3: softreset failed (device not ready)
ata3: applying SB600 PMP SRST workaround and retrying
ata3: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
ata3.00: configured for UDMA/33
ata3: EH complete

So I assume that the clicking corresponds to the hard reset, but I'm no=
t certain of that. Initially, I thought it might be some kind of disk =
head problems. Note that smart reports no bad blocks.


Regards,
Gavin

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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 14.04.2011 00:28:05 von mathias.buren

On 13 April 2011 23:24, Gavin Flower wrote:
>
> --- On Fri, 8/4/11, Gavin Flower wrote:
>
>> From: Gavin Flower
>> Subject: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, syst=
em unresponsive
> [...]
>> This morning, I noticed my system was extremely
>> unresponsive, and that there were clicking sounds coming
>> from one of my 5 hard drives.
> [...]
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> When I do
>   badblocks -s -v /dev/sdc
> I hear clicking sounds from the hard drive, and notice lots and lots =
of log messages such as:
> ata3: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x90200 action 0xe frozen
> ata3: irq_stat 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> ata3: SError: { Persist PHYRdyChg 10B8B }
> ata3: hard resetting link
> ata3: softreset failed (device not ready)
> ata3: applying SB600 PMP SRST workaround and retrying
> ata3: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> ata3.00: configured for UDMA/33
> ata3: EH complete
>
> So I assume that the clicking corresponds to the hard reset, but I'm =
not certain of that.  Initially, I thought it might be some kind o=
f disk head problems.  Note that smart reports no bad blocks.
>
>
> Regards,
> Gavin
>
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Perhaps you could post the full smartctl -a output?

Regards,
Mathias
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 14.04.2011 01:09:07 von NeilBrown

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Gavin Flower o.com>
wrote:

>=20
> --- On Fri, 8/4/11, Gavin Flower wrote:
>=20
> > From: Gavin Flower
> > Subject: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, sys=
tem unresponsive
> [...]
> > This morning, I noticed my system was extremely
> > unresponsive, and that there were clicking sounds coming
> > from one of my 5 hard drives. 
> [...]
>=20
> Hi Neil,
>=20
> When I do=20
> badblocks -s -v /dev/sdc
> I hear clicking sounds from the hard drive, and notice lots and lots =
of log messages such as:
> ata3: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x90200 action 0xe frozen
> ata3: irq_stat 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> ata3: SError: { Persist PHYRdyChg 10B8B }
> ata3: hard resetting link
> ata3: softreset failed (device not ready)
> ata3: applying SB600 PMP SRST workaround and retrying
> ata3: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> ata3.00: configured for UDMA/33
> ata3: EH complete
>=20
> So I assume that the clicking corresponds to the hard reset, but I'm =
not certain of that. Initially, I thought it might be some kind of dis=
k head problems. Note that smart reports no bad blocks.
>=20
>=20
> Regards,
> Gavin
>=20

This completely out side of my area of expertise.

My approach to such issues is to replace bits until the issue goes away=
, and
the last bit I replaced goes in the bin (after suitable double-checks) =
or
back to the supplier.

NeilBrown
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 14.04.2011 02:15:42 von Gavin Flower

--- On Thu, 14/4/11, Mathias Bur=E9n wrote:

> From: Mathias Bur=E9n
> Subject: Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, s=
ystem unresponsive
> To: "Gavin Flower"
> Cc: neilb@suse.de, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
> Date: Thursday, 14 April, 2011, 10:28
> On 13 April 2011 23:24, Gavin Flower
>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- On Fri, 8/4/11, Gavin Flower
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Gavin Flower
> >> Subject: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours,
> clicking sounds, system unresponsive
> > [...]
> >> This morning, I noticed my system was extremely
> >> unresponsive, and that there were clicking sounds
> coming
> >> from one of my 5 hard drives.
> > [...]
> >
> > Hi Neil,
> >
> > When I do
> > badblocks -s -v /dev/sdc
> > I hear clicking sounds from the hard drive, and notice
> lots and lots of log messages such as:
> > ata3: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x90200
> action 0xe frozen
> > ata3: irq_stat 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> > ata3: SError: { Persist PHYRdyChg 10B8B }
> > ata3: hard resetting link
> > ata3: softreset failed (device not ready)
> > ata3: applying SB600 PMP SRST workaround and retrying
> > ata3: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl
> 310)
> > ata3.00: configured for UDMA/33
> > ata3: EH complete
> >
> > So I assume that the clicking corresponds to the hard
> reset, but I'm not certain of that. Initially, I thought
> it might be some kind of disk head problems. Note that
> smart reports no bad blocks.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gavin
> >
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>=20
> Perhaps you could post the full smartctl -a output?
>=20
> Regards,
> Mathias
>=20

Hi Mathias,

I was more commenting on the clicking sound, rather than asking for hel=
p! However, I am happy to oblige, output follows later.

I am happy to provide additional diagnostics and log messages, should t=
hey be of use.


Regards,
Gavin

# smartctl -a /dev/sdc
smartctl 5.40 2010-10-16 r3189 [x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.=
net

===3D START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===3D
Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 family
Device Model: ST3500418AS
Serial Number: 5VMJ3RJE
=46irmware Version: CC38
User Capacity: 500,107,862,016 bytes
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: 8
ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4
Local Time is: Thu Apr 14 12:08:18 2011 NZST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

===3D START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===3D
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x82) Offline data collection activit=
y
was completed without error.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine =
completed
without error or no self-test has ever=20
been run.
Total time to complete Offline=20
data collection: ( 600) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before enterin=
g
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine=20
recommended polling time: ( 1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 85) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x103f) SCT Status supported.
SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDAT=
ED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 115 099 006 Pre-fail Alway=
s - 87918991
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 099 097 000 Pre-fail Alway=
s - 0
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 085 085 020 Old_age Alway=
s - 16014
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Alway=
s - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 072 060 030 Pre-fail Alway=
s - 20251386
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 097 097 000 Old_age Alway=
s - 2940
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Alway=
s - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 093 093 020 Old_age Alway=
s - 7999
183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 076 076 000 Old_age Alway=
s - 24
184 End-to-End_Error 0x0032 100 100 099 Old_age Alway=
s - 0
187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Alway=
s - 0
188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 099 000 Old_age Alway=
s - 1
189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Alway=
s - 0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 067 055 045 Old_age Alway=
s - 33 (Min/Max 17/33)
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 033 045 000 Old_age Alway=
s - 33 (0 16 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 031 026 000 Old_age Alway=
s - 87918991
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Alway=
s - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offli=
ne - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Alway=
s - 0
240 Head_Flying_Hours 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offli=
ne - 225696236445405
241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offli=
ne - 134453215
242 Total_LBAs_Read 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offli=
ne - 846601860

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(ho=
urs) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Short offline Completed without error 00% 3 =
-

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute de=
lay.

#=20

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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 14.04.2011 06:08:23 von Roman Mamedov

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:15:42 -0700 (PDT)
Gavin Flower wrote:

> Note that smart reports no bad blocks.

It reports 24 bad blocks:

183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 076 076 000 Old_age Always
- 24

Try running a long SMART self test on the drive (smartctl -t long /dev/sdX).

Also for a bit of common sense - why not just try the disk on another PC. I=
f it
produces clicking sounds and "frozen" errors when running "badblocks" even
there, then what else do you expect it to do, jump out of the PC and say "i=
'm
broken please replace me"? :)

--=20
With respect,
Roman

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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 14.04.2011 15:16:36 von Phil Turmel

Hi Gavin,

I think you might want to investigate your *power supply* ...

On 04/13/2011 08:15 PM, Gavin Flower wrote:

[snip /]

> SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
> Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 115 099 006 Pre-fail Always - 87918991
> 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 099 097 000 Pre-fail Always - 0
> 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 085 085 020 Old_age Always - 16014
> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0
> 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 072 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 20251386
> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 097 097 000 Old_age Always - 2940
> 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0
> 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 093 093 020 Old_age Always - 7999

SMOKING GUN ^^^^

I suspect your power supply is good enough to slowly spin up your drives and get them talking, but when you ask them to work hard, especially when writing, the PS voltage dips enough to reset the drive.

Look up all the power consumption specs for all of your components, and add up the *peak* current requirements. Make sure your PS can handle it.

HTH,

Phil
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 14.04.2011 23:12:01 von Gavin Flower

--- On Fri, 15/4/11, Phil Turmel wrote:

> From: Phil Turmel
> Subject: Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, s=
ystem unresponsive
> To: "Gavin Flower"
> Cc: "Mathias Bur=E9n" , neilb@suse.de, linux=
-raid@vger.kernel.org
> Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 1:16
> Hi Gavin,
>=20
> I think you might want to investigate your *power supply*
> ...
>=20
> On 04/13/2011 08:15 PM, Gavin Flower wrote:
>=20
> [snip /]
>=20
> > SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
> > Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> > ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> FLAG=A0   =A0VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE=A0
> =A0 =A0 UPDATED=A0 WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
> >  =A01 Raw_Read_Error_Rate=A0
>   =A00x000f  =A0115  =A0099  =A0006=A0
> =A0 Pre-fail=A0 Always=A0 =A0
>   =A0-=A0 =A0   =A087918991
> >  =A03 Spin_Up_Time=A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0
> 0x0003  =A0099  =A0097  =A0000=A0
> =A0 Pre-fail=A0 Always=A0 =A0
>   =A0-=A0 =A0   =A00
> >  =A04 Start_Stop_Count=A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0
> 0x0032  =A0085  =A0085  =A0020=A0
> =A0 Old_age  =A0Always=A0 =A0
>   =A0-=A0 =A0   =A016014
> >  =A05
> Reallocated_Sector_Ct  =A00x0033  =A0100  =A0100   =A0=
036=A0
> =A0 Pre-fail=A0 Always=A0 =A0
>   =A0-=A0 =A0   =A00
> >  =A07 Seek_Error_Rate=A0 =A0 =A0
>   =A00x000f  =A0072  =A0060  =A0030=A0
> =A0 Pre-fail=A0 Always=A0 =A0
>   =A0-=A0 =A0   =A020251386
> >  =A09 Power_On_Hours=A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0
> 0x0032  =A0097  =A0097  =A0000=A0
> =A0 Old_age  =A0Always=A0 =A0
>   =A0-=A0 =A0   =A02940
> >=A0 10 Spin_Retry_Count=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> 0x0013  =A0100  =A0100  =A0097=A0
> =A0 Pre-fail=A0 Always=A0 =A0
>   =A0-=A0 =A0   =A00
> >=A0 12 Power_Cycle_Count=A0 =A0
>   =A00x0032  =A0093  =A0093  =A0020=A0
> =A0 Old_age  =A0Always=A0 =A0
>   =A0-=A0 =A0   =A07999
>=20
> SMOKING GUN=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> ^^^^
>=20
> I suspect your power supply is good enough to slowly spin
> up your drives and get them talking, but when you ask them
> to work hard, especially when writing, the PS voltage dips
> enough to reset the drive.
>=20
> Look up all the power consumption specs for all of your
> components, and add up the *peak* current
> requirements.=A0 Make sure your PS can handle it.
>=20
> HTH,
>=20
> Phil
>=20

Hi Phil,

I was under the impression that I had an adequate power supply, so I ch=
ecked all 5 drives. In fact I made a table to compare all the smart en=
tries. The differences I thought were significant follow later. I hav=
e the full comparison table, and the original smart output, in an OpenD=
ocument file - which I will attach to a separate email (in case it gets=
blocked/dropped or some such).

Note that Power_Cycle_Count is anomalous only for /dev/sdc, so would th=
is suggest cable problems?

I am not sure what to make of the other discrepancies.

Note that sda, sdb, sdd, & sde were bought and put in at the same time,=
while sdc was only obtained and inserted recently.

sda sdb sdc sdd sde
4 Start_Stop_Count
720 716 16021 65535 713

5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct
17 42 0 1 79

9 Power_On_Hours
12505 12500 2960 12405 12475

12 Power_Cycle_Count
720 716 7999 719 713
=20
188 Command_Timeout
1040 1 1 0 4
=20
189 High_Fly_Writes
1 0 0 0 0
=20
Only /dev/sda has any errors logged, the 6th error occurred at disk pow=
er-on lifetime 12416 hours (517 days + 8 hours)

When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was activ=
e or idle.



After command completion occurred, registers were:

ER ST SC SN CL CH DH

-- -- -- -- -- -- --

40 51 00 26 52 c2 0c



Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:

CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------

60 00 a8 97 51 c2 4c 00 00:07:58.408 READ FPDMA QUEUED

60 00 00 3f 52 c2 4c 00 00:07:58.407 READ FPDMA QUEUED

60 00 00 3f 53 c2 4c 00 00:07:58.407 READ FPDMA QUEUED

60 00 28 3f 54 c2 4c 00 00:07:58.407 READ FPDMA QUEUED

60 00 18 67 54 c2 4c 00 00:07:58.407 READ FPDMA QUEUED


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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 14.04.2011 23:14:44 von Gavin Flower

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il Turmel =0A> Subject: Re: RAID6 data-check took almost=
2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive=0A> To: "Gavin Flower" nflower@yahoo.com>=0A> Cc: "Mathias Bur=E9n" , nei=
lb@suse.de, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org=0A> Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 1:=
16=0A> Hi Gavin,=0A> =0A> I think you might want to investigate your *power=
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 14.04.2011 23:19:18 von mathias.buren

On 14 April 2011 22:14, Gavin Flower wrote:
> --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Phil Turmel wrote:
>
>> From: Phil Turmel
>> Subject: Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, =
system unresponsive
>> To: "Gavin Flower"
>> Cc: "Mathias Burén" , neilb@suse.de, l=
inux-raid@vger.kernel.org
>> Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 1:16
>> Hi Gavin,
>>
>> I think you might want to investigate your *power supply*
> [...]
>
> Attaching OpenDocument file with full details of smart output and com=
parison table.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Gavin

sda has a value higher than 0 on reported uncorrected sectors. That's
enough for me to replace a drive. (heck, even if I see 1 reallocated
sector I'd RMA it ASAP).

Regards,
Mathias
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 15.04.2011 00:23:39 von Phil Turmel

On 04/14/2011 05:12 PM, Gavin Flower wrote:

>
> Hi Phil,
>
> I was under the impression that I had an adequate power supply, so I checked all 5 drives. In fact I made a table to compare all the smart entries. The differences I thought were significant follow later. I have the full comparison table, and the original smart output, in an OpenDocument file - which I will attach to a separate email (in case it gets blocked/dropped or some such).
>
> Note that Power_Cycle_Count is anomalous only for /dev/sdc, so would this suggest cable problems?

No two drives are perfectly identical, so when the drive's power rail is only slightly overloaded, the least tolerant drive chokes as the voltage declines (we're talking tens of milliseconds, here). As soon as it chokes, the extra load disappears, and the power supply recovers. The other drives carry on. The drive that choked resets (*Click*) in time for the block driver to try again, and the cycle repeats.

As a test, borrow another power supply and hook just that one drive to it. If the problem continues, the drive is toast. If the problem goes away, look for a better power supply. Note: for the Barracuda with the problem, the detailed spec says the 5V load spikes on activity, not the 12V load. So make sure the current capacity of the power supply meets your needs for both 5V & 12V (plus your motherboard). Also check if the power supply has multiple regulators for drive power, and if you need to re-arrange the connectors to spread the load evenly amongst them.

As another test, you can swap all your cables around. If the problem is in the cables, the problem will follow the cables to the drive you moved them to.

> I am not sure what to make of the other discrepancies.
>
> Note that sda, sdb, sdd, & sde were bought and put in at the same time, while sdc was only obtained and inserted recently.

So sdc came from a different manufacturing batch, which is likely to have slightly different tolerances.

HTH,

Phil
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 15.04.2011 01:15:00 von John Robinson

On 14/04/2011 22:19, Mathias Burén wrote:
> On 14 April 2011 22:14, Gavin Flower wrote:
[...]
>> Attaching OpenDocument file with full details of smart output and co=
mparison table.
[...]
> sda has a value higher than 0 on reported uncorrected sectors. That's
> enough for me to replace a drive. (heck, even if I see 1 reallocated
> sector I'd RMA it ASAP).

I've had a look at some of my drives' SMART output, and only my Samsung=
=20
drives have it - one showing 57 (with zero reallocated, pending or=20
offline sectors) and one showing 331 (zero reallocated, one pending and=
=20
zero offline sectors). Neither drive has ever given a read error, and I=
=20
do run a weekly check on my arrays which has never reported any mismatc=
hes.

Googling for this field doesn't give any indication that it is relevant=
=20
to determining whether a drive is failing, but if someone with more=20
SMART expertise can comment I'll be quite happy to be corrected...

Having said that, all of Gavin's drives apart from sdc show non-zero=20
reallocated sector counts, and that field definitely is one to follow=20
when considering replacing drives.

Cheers,

John.
(Just started long self-tests on all my local drives)

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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, system unresponsive

am 28.04.2011 22:03:39 von Gavin Flower

--- On Fri, 15/4/11, Phil Turmel wrote:

> From: Phil Turmel
> Subject: Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, s=
ystem unresponsive
> To: "Gavin Flower"
> Cc: "Mathias Bur=E9n" , neilb@suse.de, linux=
-raid@vger.kernel.org
> Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 10:23
> On 04/14/2011 05:12 PM, Gavin Flower
> wrote:
>=20
> >=20
> > Hi Phil,
> >=20
> > I was under the impression that I had an adequate
> power supply, so I checked all 5 drives. 
[...]
> >=20
> > Note that Power_Cycle_Count is anomalous only for
> /dev/sdc, so would this suggest cable problems?
>=20
> No two drives are perfectly identical, so when the drive's
> power rail is only slightly overloaded, the least tolerant
> drive chokes as the voltage declines (we're talking tens of
> milliseconds, here).=A0 As soon as it chokes, the extra
> load disappears, and the power supply recovers.=A0 The
> other drives carry on.=A0 The drive that choked resets
> (*Click*) in time for the block driver to try again, and the
> cycle repeats.
>=20
> As a test, borrow another power supply and hook just that
> one drive to it.=A0 If the problem continues, the drive
> is toast.=A0 If the problem goes away, look for a better
> power supply.=A0 Note:=A0 for the Barracuda with the
> problem, the detailed spec says the 5V load spikes on
> activity, not the 12V load.=A0 So make sure the current
> capacity of the power supply meets your needs for both 5V
> & 12V (plus your motherboard).=A0 Also check if the
> power supply has multiple regulators for drive power, and if
> you need to re-arrange the connectors to spread the load
> evenly amongst them.
>=20
> As another test, you can swap all your cables around.=A0
> If the problem is in the cables, the problem will follow the
> cables to the drive you moved them to.
>=20
> > I am not sure what to make of the other
> discrepancies.
> >=20
> > Note that sda, sdb, sdd, & sde were bought and put
> in at the same time, while sdc was only obtained and
> inserted recently.
>=20
> So sdc came from a different manufacturing batch, which is
> likely to have slightly different tolerances.
>=20
> HTH,
>=20
> Phil

Thanks Phil,

A few days ago, I noticed that 2 of my 3 RAID arrays were down to 4 out=
of 5 drives - /dev/sdc had been dropped out, the one which made clicki=
ng sounds when I ran badblocks.

A couple of days ago, my friend Mario brought over his oscilloscope and=
a volt meter. The 5 volt rail was showing about 4.7 volts, typically =
it should be 5.2 - 5.4 (from memory of what he said), and the voltage l=
ooked shaky on the oscilloscope. The old power supply rated at 400 Wat=
ts. =20

Mario suggested that power supplies greater than 500 Watts had signific=
antly better quality, also he and others said that power supplies tende=
d to have reduced capability to supply their maximum power as they age.=
So while, 400 Watts seemed nominally adequate for my system, I starte=
d looking for ones that wee at least 500 Watts, I also looked at other =
features, such as reliability and the ability to support at least 5 sat=
a drives without using adapters.

I was in the process of checking out various power supplies, when my de=
velopment machine ('saturn') refused to complete the boot process due t=
o RAID problems.

There are many power supplies that would have met my requirements, but =
I told Mario that I was prepared to pay a bit extra, if there was real =
benefit, as I saw no point in being penny wise and pound foolish as the=
y say in England. If the time Mario and I (let alone that of the other=
s who advised me) had spent on this problem was costed, it would have b=
een more than double the price of the power supply, so I figured paying=
a bit extra was a good investment. The one Mario obtained for me was t=
he one in stock that met my needs without being too expensive. The new=
one is 700 Watts with reasonably robust specifications: Cooler Master =
Extreme Power Plus 700W. MTBF > 100,000 hours (11 years), high efficie=
ncy 80% at typical load...

Reassembling the 2 defective RAID-6 partitions went okay, now all 3 RAI=
D partitions are complete.

Been running over 16 hours now and no apparent problems. I ran badbloc=
ks on all 5 disks concurrently - no clicking sounds were heard, nor wer=
e any errors reported. Also the 'ata' errors previously seen on the sys=
tems log are absent.

I very much appreciate the help provided to me by the people on this li=
st.


Regards,
Gavin
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 28.04.2011 22:11:18 von Roman Mamedov

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Gavin Flower wrote:

> A couple of days ago, my friend Mario brought over his oscilloscope and a
> volt meter. The 5 volt rail was showing about 4.7 volts, typically it
> should be 5.2 - 5.4 (from memory of what he said), and the voltage looked
> shaky on the oscilloscope. The old power supply rated at 400 Watts. =20

4.7V is fine, those voltages have a tolerance of +/-10%. And if you have a
deviation there, it is actually better for it to be to the lower side, than
equivalent to the higher. Reason: no heat increase.

--=20
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Roman

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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 29.04.2011 00:11:12 von Phil Turmel

On 04/28/2011 04:11 PM, Roman Mamedov wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:03:39 -0700 (PDT)
> Gavin Flower wrote:
>
>> A couple of days ago, my friend Mario brought over his oscilloscope and a
>> volt meter. The 5 volt rail was showing about 4.7 volts, typically it
>> should be 5.2 - 5.4 (from memory of what he said), and the voltage looked
>> shaky on the oscilloscope. The old power supply rated at 400 Watts.
>
> 4.7V is fine, those voltages have a tolerance of +/-10%. And if you have a
> deviation there, it is actually better for it to be to the lower side, than
> equivalent to the higher. Reason: no heat increase.

Uh. Close, but no.

Quoting the Seagate manual for that drive:

> 2.7.3 Voltage tolerance
>
> Voltage tolerance (including noise):
> 5V +10% / -7.5%
> 12V +10% / -10.0%

So he was somewhere around 75mV above the low spec, and it was "shaky". If his meter was rounding up to 4.7 from 4.65, he could have been as close as 25mV to the low spec.

Based on the manual, the best noise tolerance will be at 5.0625V, the middle of the spec.

There might be big datacenter engineers that'll trade some noise margin for heat dissipation savings. For that drive's active power consumption, a 5% voltage reduction (half of his noise margin) will save him, at most, 28W (5 drives * 6.19W * 0.95^2). That's a savings of $14 per year for 24/7/365 usage in my household.

I'd spend the $14 for the safety margin on *my* data. (And I do.)

Regards,

Phil
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Re: RAID6 data-check took almost 2 hours, clicking sounds, systemunresponsive

am 29.04.2011 00:40:38 von Phil Turmel

Whoops! Hasty. See below.

On 04/28/2011 06:11 PM, Phil Turmel wrote:
> On 04/28/2011 04:11 PM, Roman Mamedov wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:03:39 -0700 (PDT)
>> Gavin Flower wrote:
>>
>>> A couple of days ago, my friend Mario brought over his oscilloscope and a
>>> volt meter. The 5 volt rail was showing about 4.7 volts, typically it
>>> should be 5.2 - 5.4 (from memory of what he said), and the voltage looked
>>> shaky on the oscilloscope. The old power supply rated at 400 Watts.
>>
>> 4.7V is fine, those voltages have a tolerance of +/-10%. And if you have a
>> deviation there, it is actually better for it to be to the lower side, than
>> equivalent to the higher. Reason: no heat increase.
>
> Uh. Close, but no.
>
> Quoting the Seagate manual for that drive:
>
>> 2.7.3 Voltage tolerance
>>
>> Voltage tolerance (including noise):
>> 5V +10% / -7.5%
>> 12V +10% / -10.0%
>
> So he was somewhere around 75mV above the low spec, and it was "shaky". If his meter was rounding up to 4.7 from 4.65, he could have been as close as 25mV to the low spec.
>
> Based on the manual, the best noise tolerance will be at 5.0625V, the middle of the spec.
>
> There might be big datacenter engineers that'll trade some noise margin for heat dissipation savings. For that drive's active power consumption, a 5% voltage reduction (half of his noise margin) will save him, at most, 28W (5 drives * 6.19W * 0.95^2). That's a savings of $14 per year for 24/7/365 usage in my household.

Sorry. 28W is what they'll *consume* @ -5%. The *savings* is 3W (5 drives * 6.19W * (1-0.95^2)), at most. $1.50/year.

> I'd spend the $14 for the safety margin on *my* data. (And I do.)

I'd still spend $14, if that's what it was.

Phil
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