matplotlib

I much prefer perl to python given my recent forays into that language
(python's regex is awful!), however it has an excellent plotting package
that is very similar to matlab but supports things like marker alphas. It's
called matplotlib, and requires scipy and numpy.

PDL is the closest thing I see in perl, but it seems to be clunky and makes
relatively ugly plots.

Any thoughts on why that is?:

(a) in python it's easier to make things like this
(b) python has more scientific users so it makes sense one would build it
(c) perl users tend to be lazier and less likely to make something like this
(d) somebody funded that development and happened to pay a python guy
(e) ??

Just curious, thanks for your thoughts.

- Bryan



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Re: matplotlib

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Bryan R Harris
wrote:
>
>
> I much prefer perl to python given my recent forays into that language
> (python's regex is awful!), however it has an excellent plotting package
> that is very similar to matlab but supports things like marker alphas. =
=A0It's
> called matplotlib, and requires scipy and numpy.
>
> PDL is the closest thing I see in perl, but it seems to be clunky and mak=
es
> relatively ugly plots.
>
> Any thoughts on why that is?:
>
> (a) in python it's easier to make things like this
> (b) python has more scientific users so it makes sense one would build it
> (c) perl users tend to be lazier and less likely to make something like t=
his
> (d) somebody funded that development and happened to pay a python guy
> (e) ??
>
> Just curious, thanks for your thoughts.
>
> - Bryan
>
>
>
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>

Not exactly sure personally. But here is an article that may be of interest=
..

http://www.stat.washington.edu/~hoytak/blog/whypython.html

Sayth

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Re: matplotlib

Not sure if this is relevant, but I stumbled on this.. http://pdl.perl.org/

Wernher

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Sayth Renshaw wro=
te:
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Bryan R Harris
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I much prefer perl to python given my recent forays into that language
>> (python's regex is awful!), however it has an excellent plotting package
>> that is very similar to matlab but supports things like marker alphas. =
=A0It's
>> called matplotlib, and requires scipy and numpy.
>>
>> PDL is the closest thing I see in perl, but it seems to be clunky and ma=
kes
>> relatively ugly plots.
>>
>> Any thoughts on why that is?:
>>
>> (a) in python it's easier to make things like this
>> (b) python has more scientific users so it makes sense one would build i=
t
>> (c) perl users tend to be lazier and less likely to make something like =
this
>> (d) somebody funded that development and happened to pay a python guy
>> (e) ??
>>
>> Just curious, thanks for your thoughts.
>>
>> - Bryan
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
> Not exactly sure personally. But here is an article that may be of intere=
st.
>
> http://www.stat.washington.edu/~hoytak/blog/whypython.html
>
> Sayth
>
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Re: matplotlib

Maybe it is of relevance after all...

PDL is "free software". The authors of PDL think that this concept has
several advantages: everyone has access to the sources -> better
debugging, easily adaptable to your own needs, extensible for your
purposes, etc... In comparison with commercial packages such as MATLAB
and IDL this is of considerable importance for workers who want to do
some work at home and cannot afford the considerable cost to buy
commercial packages for personal use.

Wernher

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Wernher Eksteen wrote=
:
> Not sure if this is relevant, but I stumbled on this.. http://pdl.perl.or=
g/
>
> Wernher
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Sayth Renshaw w=
rote:
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Bryan R Harris
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I much prefer perl to python given my recent forays into that language
>>> (python's regex is awful!), however it has an excellent plotting packag=
e
>>> that is very similar to matlab but supports things like marker alphas. =
=A0It's
>>> called matplotlib, and requires scipy and numpy.
>>>
>>> PDL is the closest thing I see in perl, but it seems to be clunky and m=
akes
>>> relatively ugly plots.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on why that is?:
>>>
>>> (a) in python it's easier to make things like this
>>> (b) python has more scientific users so it makes sense one would build =
it
>>> (c) perl users tend to be lazier and less likely to make something like=
this
>>> (d) somebody funded that development and happened to pay a python guy
>>> (e) ??
>>>
>>> Just curious, thanks for your thoughts.
>>>
>>> - Bryan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscribe@perl.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-help@perl.org
>>> http://learn.perl.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not exactly sure personally. But here is an article that may be of inter=
est.
>>
>> http://www.stat.washington.edu/~hoytak/blog/whypython.html
>>
>> Sayth
>>
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Isn't MatPlotLib free as well? I don't think PDL's low cost is a competitive
advantage for Perl over Python

In this Perlmonks node: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=347028 , the
GD::Graphs module, and the PGPlot (
http://search.cpan.org/search?query=pgplot&mode=all) and GnuPlot (
http://search.cpan.org/search?query=gnuplot&mode=allapplicat ions) are
discussed. I don't know enough about your task (or about Perl to be honest)
to know if those will help, but that is as far as my googling gets me.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Wernher Eksteen wrote:

> Maybe it is of relevance after all...
>
> PDL is "free software". The authors of PDL think that this concept has
> several advantages: everyone has access to the sources -> better
> debugging, easily adaptable to your own needs, extensible for your
> purposes, etc... In comparison with commercial packages such as MATLAB
> and IDL this is of considerable importance for workers who want to do
> some work at home and cannot afford the considerable cost to buy
> commercial packages for personal use.
>
> Wernher
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Wernher Eksteen
> wrote:
> > Not sure if this is relevant, but I stumbled on this..
> http://pdl.perl.org/
> >
> > Wernher
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Sayth Renshaw
> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Bryan R Harris
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I much prefer perl to python given my recent forays into that language
> >>> (python's regex is awful!), however it has an excellent plotting
> package
> >>> that is very similar to matlab but supports things like marker alphas.
> It's
> >>> called matplotlib, and requires scipy and numpy.
> >>>
> >>> PDL is the closest thing I see in perl, but it seems to be clunky and
> makes
> >>> relatively ugly plots.
> >>>
> >>> Any thoughts on why that is?:
> >>>
> >>> (a) in python it's easier to make things like this
> >>> (b) python has more scientific users so it makes sense one would build
> it
> >>> (c) perl users tend to be lazier and less likely to make something like
> this
> >>> (d) somebody funded that development and happened to pay a python guy
> >>> (e) ??
> >>>
> >>> Just curious, thanks for your thoughts.
> >>>
> >>> - Bryan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscribe@perl.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-help@perl.org
> >>> http://learn.perl.org/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not exactly sure personally. But here is an article that may be of
> interest.
> >>
> >> http://www.stat.washington.edu/~hoytak/blog/whypython.html
> >>
> >> Sayth
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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I really don't know much about MATLIB, but looking on their site it doesn't
seem free: http://www.mathworks.com/products/matlab/

I stumbled on PDL by chance and remembered someone asking if Perl could do
this and so shared in the hope it might help.

On 28 June 2011 20:01, Brendan Gilroy wrote:

> Isn't MatPlotLib free as well? I don't think PDL's low cost is a
> competitive
> advantage for Perl over Python
>
> In this Perlmonks node: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=347028 , the
> GD::Graphs module, and the PGPlot (
> http://search.cpan.org/search?query=pgplot&mode=all) and GnuPlot (
> http://search.cpan.org/search?query=gnuplot&mode=allapplicat ions) are
> discussed. I don't know enough about your task (or about Perl to be honest)
> to know if those will help, but that is as far as my googling gets me.
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Wernher Eksteen
> wrote:
>
> > Maybe it is of relevance after all...
> >
> > PDL is "free software". The authors of PDL think that this concept has
> > several advantages: everyone has access to the sources -> better
> > debugging, easily adaptable to your own needs, extensible for your
> > purposes, etc... In comparison with commercial packages such as MATLAB
> > and IDL this is of considerable importance for workers who want to do
> > some work at home and cannot afford the considerable cost to buy
> > commercial packages for personal use.
> >
> > Wernher
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Wernher Eksteen
> > wrote:
> > > Not sure if this is relevant, but I stumbled on this..
> > http://pdl.perl.org/
> > >
> > > Wernher
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Sayth Renshaw > >
> > wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Bryan R Harris
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I much prefer perl to python given my recent forays into that
> language
> > >>> (python's regex is awful!), however it has an excellent plotting
> > package
> > >>> that is very similar to matlab but supports things like marker
> alphas.
> > It's
> > >>> called matplotlib, and requires scipy and numpy.
> > >>>
> > >>> PDL is the closest thing I see in perl, but it seems to be clunky and
> > makes
> > >>> relatively ugly plots.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any thoughts on why that is?:
> > >>>
> > >>> (a) in python it's easier to make things like this
> > >>> (b) python has more scientific users so it makes sense one would
> build
> > it
> > >>> (c) perl users tend to be lazier and less likely to make something
> like
> > this
> > >>> (d) somebody funded that development and happened to pay a python guy
> > >>> (e) ??
> > >>>
> > >>> Just curious, thanks for your thoughts.
> > >>>
> > >>> - Bryan
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscribe@perl.org
> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-help@perl.org
> > >>> http://learn.perl.org/
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Not exactly sure personally. But here is an article that may be of
> > interest.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.stat.washington.edu/~hoytak/blog/whypython.html
> > >>
> > >> Sayth
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscribe@perl.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-help@perl.org
> > >> http://learn.perl.org/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
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> > http://learn.perl.org/
> >
> >
> >
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Ok well on second thought, MATLAB probably is MATLIB...

On 28 June 2011 20:10, Wernher Eksteen wrote:

> I really don't know much about MATLIB, but looking on their site it doesn't
> seem free: http://www.mathworks.com/products/matlab/
>
> I stumbled on PDL by chance and remembered someone asking if Perl could do
> this and so shared in the hope it might help.
>
>
> On 28 June 2011 20:01, Brendan Gilroy wrote:
>
>> Isn't MatPlotLib free as well? I don't think PDL's low cost is a
>> competitive
>> advantage for Perl over Python
>>
>> In this Perlmonks node: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=347028 , the
>> GD::Graphs module, and the PGPlot (
>> http://search.cpan.org/search?query=pgplot&mode=all) and GnuPlot (
>> http://search.cpan.org/search?query=gnuplot&mode=allapplicat ions) are
>> discussed. I don't know enough about your task (or about Perl to be
>> honest)
>> to know if those will help, but that is as far as my googling gets me.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Wernher Eksteen
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Maybe it is of relevance after all...
>> >
>> > PDL is "free software". The authors of PDL think that this concept has
>> > several advantages: everyone has access to the sources -> better
>> > debugging, easily adaptable to your own needs, extensible for your
>> > purposes, etc... In comparison with commercial packages such as MATLAB
>> > and IDL this is of considerable importance for workers who want to do
>> > some work at home and cannot afford the considerable cost to buy
>> > commercial packages for personal use.
>> >
>> > Wernher
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Wernher Eksteen
>> > wrote:
>> > > Not sure if this is relevant, but I stumbled on this..
>> > http://pdl.perl.org/
>> > >
>> > > Wernher
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Sayth Renshaw <
>> flebber.crue@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Bryan R Harris
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I much prefer perl to python given my recent forays into that
>> language
>> > >>> (python's regex is awful!), however it has an excellent plotting
>> > package
>> > >>> that is very similar to matlab but supports things like marker
>> alphas.
>> > It's
>> > >>> called matplotlib, and requires scipy and numpy.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> PDL is the closest thing I see in perl, but it seems to be clunky
>> and
>> > makes
>> > >>> relatively ugly plots.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Any thoughts on why that is?:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> (a) in python it's easier to make things like this
>> > >>> (b) python has more scientific users so it makes sense one would
>> build
>> > it
>> > >>> (c) perl users tend to be lazier and less likely to make something
>> like
>> > this
>> > >>> (d) somebody funded that development and happened to pay a python
>> guy
>> > >>> (e) ??
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Just curious, thanks for your thoughts.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> - Bryan
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscribe@perl.org
>> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-help@perl.org
>> > >>> http://learn.perl.org/
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> Not exactly sure personally. But here is an article that may be of
>> > interest.
>> > >>
>> > >> http://www.stat.washington.edu/~hoytak/blog/whypython.html
>> > >>
>> > >> Sayth
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscribe@perl.org
>> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-help@perl.org
>> > >> http://learn.perl.org/
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscribe@perl.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-help@perl.org
>> > http://learn.perl.org/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

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Re: matplotlib

Nope, you had it right before. Matlab is commercial (and very expensive)
software that the python matplotlib/scipy/numpy combination may replace for
some people. The benefit of that is many people know and use matlab, so
using matplotlib is familiar to them.

- Bryan


> Ok well on second thought, MATLAB probably is MATLIB...
>
> On 28 June 2011 20:10, Wernher Eksteen wrote:
>
>> I really don't know much about MATLIB, but looking on their site it doesn't
>> seem free: http://www.mathworks.com/products/matlab/
>>
>> I stumbled on PDL by chance and remembered someone asking if Perl could do
>> this and so shared in the hope it might help.
>>
>>
>> On 28 June 2011 20:01, Brendan Gilroy wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't MatPlotLib free as well? I don't think PDL's low cost is a
>>> competitive
>>> advantage for Perl over Python
>>>
>>> In this Perlmonks node: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=347028 , the
>>> GD::Graphs module, and the PGPlot (
>>> http://search.cpan.org/search?query=pgplot&mode=all) and GnuPlot (
>>> http://search.cpan.org/search?query=gnuplot&mode=allapplicat ions) are
>>> discussed. I don't know enough about your task (or about Perl to be
>>> honest)
>>> to know if those will help, but that is as far as my googling gets me.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Wernher Eksteen
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe it is of relevance after all...
>>>>
>>>> PDL is "free software". The authors of PDL think that this concept has
>>>> several advantages: everyone has access to the sources -> better
>>>> debugging, easily adaptable to your own needs, extensible for your
>>>> purposes, etc... In comparison with commercial packages such as MATLAB
>>>> and IDL this is of considerable importance for workers who want to do
>>>> some work at home and cannot afford the considerable cost to buy
>>>> commercial packages for personal use.
>>>>
>>>> Wernher
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Wernher Eksteen
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Not sure if this is relevant, but I stumbled on this..
>>>> http://pdl.perl.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Wernher
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Sayth Renshaw <
>>> flebber.crue@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Bryan R Harris
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I much prefer perl to python given my recent forays into that
>>> language
>>>>>>> (python's regex is awful!), however it has an excellent plotting
>>>> package
>>>>>>> that is very similar to matlab but supports things like marker
>>> alphas.
>>>> It's
>>>>>>> called matplotlib, and requires scipy and numpy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PDL is the closest thing I see in perl, but it seems to be clunky
>>> and
>>>> makes
>>>>>>> relatively ugly plots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any thoughts on why that is?:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (a) in python it's easier to make things like this
>>>>>>> (b) python has more scientific users so it makes sense one would
>>> build
>>>> it
>>>>>>> (c) perl users tend to be lazier and less likely to make something
>>> like
>>>> this
>>>>>>> (d) somebody funded that development and happened to pay a python
>>> guy
>>>>>>> (e) ??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just curious, thanks for your thoughts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Bryan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscribe@perl.org
>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-help@perl.org
>>>>>>> http://learn.perl.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not exactly sure personally. But here is an article that may be of
>>>> interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.stat.washington.edu/~hoytak/blog/whypython.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sayth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscribe@perl.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-help@perl.org
>>>>>> http://learn.perl.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>



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