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#1: List Experience

Posted on 2011-10-01 16:05:43 by Ron Weidner

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I've had mixed feelings about my
experience on this list so far. I'm sharing these opinions because I
feel it would be awesome if this list seemed friendlier to beginners.

Several years ago I subscribed to this
list and unsubscribed almost as quick as I could. The harshness of
the responses seemed unwarranted and I, as a programmer exploring
perl, felt I would be happier among a different group of peers. A
month ago, I subscribed to this list again, but this time I resolved
to having more tolerance for some of the bitterness. I don't know
the history of the relationships forged here on this list but maybe
if I did I would understand more of what appears to be bitterness.
But I'm not sure I should have to understand. So, to put a very fine
point on this paragraph, from the perspective of a new person on this
list, I'm witnessing what seems like excessive bitterness and
personal attacks on the skills of individuals. The list appears
hostile IMO.

I'm purposely avoiding details and
specifics because I don't want to single out individuals. It's my
opinion that doing so may be counter productive. Not everyone
engages in hostile (IMO) activities and even those who do, don't do
so all the time.

On a very positive note, I've seen good
and helpful advice offered. I hope to be considered a part of what
makes this list great someday. The knowledge of perl shown by some
of the lists participants is impressive. And I'm thankful that this
list isn't just a list of beginners helping beginners but also that
there are several seasoned perl programmers participating.

--
Ronald Weidner

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#2: Re: List Experience

Posted on 2011-10-01 19:43:32 by AndrewMcHorney

I agree with you Ron

At 07:05 AM 10/1/2011, Ron Weidner wrote:
>
>I've had mixed feelings about my
>experience on this list so far. I'm sharing these opinions because I
>feel it would be awesome if this list seemed friendlier to beginners.
>
>Several years ago I subscribed to this
>list and unsubscribed almost as quick as I could. The harshness of
>the responses seemed unwarranted and I, as a programmer exploring
>perl, felt I would be happier among a different group of peers. A
>month ago, I subscribed to this list again, but this time I resolved
>to having more tolerance for some of the bitterness. I don't know
>the history of the relationships forged here on this list but maybe
>if I did I would understand more of what appears to be bitterness.
>But I'm not sure I should have to understand. So, to put a very fine
>point on this paragraph, from the perspective of a new person on this
>list, I'm witnessing what seems like excessive bitterness and
>personal attacks on the skills of individuals. The list appears
>hostile IMO.
>
>I'm purposely avoiding details and
>specifics because I don't want to single out individuals. It's my
>opinion that doing so may be counter productive. Not everyone
>engages in hostile (IMO) activities and even those who do, don't do
>so all the time.
>
>On a very positive note, I've seen good
>and helpful advice offered. I hope to be considered a part of what
>makes this list great someday. The knowledge of perl shown by some
>of the lists participants is impressive. And I'm thankful that this
>list isn't just a list of beginners helping beginners but also that
>there are several seasoned perl programmers participating.
>
>--
>Ronald Weidner


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#3: RE: List Experience

Posted on 2011-10-01 20:03:46 by Thayub Hashim

I too agree with you .
Lets share knowledge not feelings .

Peace .

Sent from my Windows Phone From: AndrewMcHorney
Sent: 01 October 2011 23:15
To: Ron Weidner; Beginner Perl
Subject: Re: List Experience
I agree with you Ron

At 07:05 AM 10/1/2011, Ron Weidner wrote:
>
>I've had mixed feelings about my
>experience on this list so far. I'm sharing these opinions because I
>feel it would be awesome if this list seemed friendlier to beginners.
>
>Several years ago I subscribed to this
>list and unsubscribed almost as quick as I could. The harshness of
>the responses seemed unwarranted and I, as a programmer exploring
>perl, felt I would be happier among a different group of peers. A
>month ago, I subscribed to this list again, but this time I resolved
>to having more tolerance for some of the bitterness. I don't know
>the history of the relationships forged here on this list but maybe
>if I did I would understand more of what appears to be bitterness.
>But I'm not sure I should have to understand. So, to put a very fine
>point on this paragraph, from the perspective of a new person on this
>list, I'm witnessing what seems like excessive bitterness and
>personal attacks on the skills of individuals. The list appears
>hostile IMO.
>
>I'm purposely avoiding details and
>specifics because I don't want to single out individuals. It's my
>opinion that doing so may be counter productive. Not everyone
>engages in hostile (IMO) activities and even those who do, don't do
>so all the time.
>
>On a very positive note, I've seen good
>and helpful advice offered. I hope to be considered a part of what
>makes this list great someday. The knowledge of perl shown by some
>of the lists participants is impressive. And I'm thankful that this
>list isn't just a list of beginners helping beginners but also that
>there are several seasoned perl programmers participating.
>
>--
>Ronald Weidner


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#4: Re: [OT] List Experience

Posted on 2011-10-03 19:02:44 by rvtol+usenet

On 2011-10-01 16:05, Ron Weidner wrote:

> [...] The list appears hostile IMO.

You are what you read.


> [...] On a very positive note, I've seen good
> and helpful advice offered. I hope to be considered a part of what
> makes this list great someday. The knowledge of perl shown by some
> of the lists participants is impressive. And I'm thankful that this
> list isn't just a list of beginners helping beginners but also that
> there are several seasoned perl programmers participating.

Just read every article as if it was posted by your best friend.
(And if that failed, which will happen once every few moons, killfile.)

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Ruud

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#5: Re: List Experience

Posted on 2011-10-06 17:32:37 by John SJ Anderson

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:05, Ron Weidner <xecronix@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I've had mixed feelings about my
> experience on this list so far.  I'm sharing these opinions because =
I
> feel it would be awesome if this list seemed friendlier to beginners.

I agree with you, and that's part of what motivated my volunteering to
take over moderation.

The Perl community is without a doubt one of the friendliest, most
helpful, and most engaged groups of people I've had the pleasure to
work with. That said, we're all still people, and people sometimes let
their frustrations get the better of them. It's also important to keep
in mind that we're primarily interacting over email, which poses it's
own challenges in terms of accurately communicating the more subtle
aspects of communication.

chrs,
john.

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#6: Re: List Experience

Posted on 2011-10-06 20:07:03 by Mike Flannigan

On 10/3/2011 1:56 AM, Ronald Weidner wrote:
> I've had mixed feelings about my
> experience on this list so far. I'm sharing these opinions because I
> feel it would be awesome if this list seemed friendlier to beginners.
>
> Several years ago I subscribed to this
> list and unsubscribed almost as quick as I could. The harshness of
> the responses seemed unwarranted and I, as a programmer exploring
> perl, felt I would be happier among a different group of peers. A
> month ago, I subscribed to this list again, but this time I resolved
> to having more tolerance for some of the bitterness. I don't know
> the history of the relationships forged here on this list but maybe
> if I did I would understand more of what appears to be bitterness.
> But I'm not sure I should have to understand. So, to put a very fine
> point on this paragraph, from the perspective of a new person on this
> list, I'm witnessing what seems like excessive bitterness and
> personal attacks on the skills of individuals. The list appears
> hostile IMO.
>
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I am a long-time subscriber too. Remember Purl Girl?
I wonder what happened to her.

I appreciate the effort of those who try to make this
a more civil place to visit. But apparently their
efforts are to naught. These lists are free, and for
whatever reason they often attract people with peculiar
idiosyncrasies who choose to become active on the list.
It's not just a Perl thing - it happens on many of these
lists.

I feel fortunate to have a free list where I can get so
much great help. I'll put up with the oddities of others
to have this resource available.



Mike Flannigan



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